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'Pokémon Go' players unknowingly trained delivery robots with 30B images

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#51
I don't think anyone actually cares about this in principle. This is more of a product and marketing problem than a legal or moral one.

What people dislike is noticing the strings attached so distastefully. I can't think of any fads or pastimes where there aren't any, but the benefits of the activity offered should outweigh the cost.

In that sense, Pokémon Go was a bad deal. I still don't get what was ever in it for the player.

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#52
post #27

Big corporations have found the way to make us work for free in their own terms. The balance of power between the working class and capital is totally broken. And for me it is not just the lack of transparency. It is the power balance. I should not need to work for free, give my data, and god knows what to play a game. I should not be living knowing that I am being exploited at each interaction with software. Transpa…

The americans who believed anti-communist propaganda might have been the dumbest generation in history: they gave up a decent democracy with actual democratic say in how society is run in order to fear the world comfortably from home.

For Maga, democracy is too socialist.

LOL: Remember when they literally said the Pope wasn't Christian enough.

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#53
post #27

Big corporations have found the way to make us work for free in their own terms. The balance of power between the working class and capital is totally broken. And for me it is not just the lack of transparency. It is the power balance. I should not need to work for free, give my data, and god knows what to play a game. I should not be living knowing that I am being exploited at each interaction with software. Transpa…

You don't need to work and if you do you get rewarded in the game. Money is not the only motivating factor for people. Even something like keeping Google Map up to date can bring value to people from helping others. Helping others is not zero sum. Just because a company benefits from helping others that doesn't mean it's bad.

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post #47

Niantic are a number of people who are doing this. Its not that clear from the article, but niantic spatial are using the images captured from users to create a 3d model of "THE WORLD" or where people play pokemon go. They have then fed that data into a more modern version of colmap ( https://github.com/colmap/colmap ) to create a point cloud. Then the engineering to make sure that point cloud is aligned accurately a…

see this 2007 talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/blaise_aguera_y_arcas_how_photosyn... i remember this being available in google maps in 2008 or so. fun technology!

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#55
post #47

Niantic are a number of people who are doing this. Its not that clear from the article, but niantic spatial are using the images captured from users to create a 3d model of "THE WORLD" or where people play pokemon go. They have then fed that data into a more modern version of colmap ( https://github.com/colmap/colmap ) to create a point cloud. Then the engineering to make sure that point cloud is aligned accurately a…

see this 2007 talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/blaise_aguera_y_arcas_how_photosyn... i remember this being available in google maps in 2008 or so. fun technology!

I remember playing with Photosynth on my Windows Phone. Good times.

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#56
post #27

Big corporations have found the way to make us work for free in their own terms. The balance of power between the working class and capital is totally broken. And for me it is not just the lack of transparency. It is the power balance. I should not need to work for free, give my data, and god knows what to play a game. I should not be living knowing that I am being exploited at each interaction with software. Transpa…

The americans who believed anti-communist propaganda might have been the dumbest generation in history: they gave up a decent democracy with actual democratic say in how society is run in order to fear the world comfortably from home.

You reckon subsequent generations improved? Hint: look around and see what's happening, and how that came about.

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#57
post #27

Big corporations have found the way to make us work for free in their own terms. The balance of power between the working class and capital is totally broken. And for me it is not just the lack of transparency. It is the power balance. I should not need to work for free, give my data, and god knows what to play a game. I should not be living knowing that I am being exploited at each interaction with software. Transpa…

You don't need to work and if you do you get rewarded in the game. Money is not the only motivating factor for people. Even something like keeping Google Map up to date can bring value to people from helping others. Helping others is not zero sum. Just because a company benefits from helping others that doesn't mean it's bad.

It’s the lack of transparency that is the problem. There should be a clear labor exchange disclaimer: “we are asking you to do X minutes of AI training for one unit of in-game reward.” What people take issue with is Tom Sawyer tricking people into whitewashing a fence.

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#59

I like Pokemon Go and play almost every day. I did this scan one time and then stopped. The rewards are not worth the hassle. I don't think many players are doing it. It's just very weird to stand somewhere and scan an object. I also wouldn't say 'unknowingly trained', it's pretty obvious what it does, and I think the game even tells you that they want to understands how the POI looks like in 3D.

My son showed me how he does these quests: he points the phone at the floor and just wiggles it back and forth.

Your son is a bad data point.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The americans who believed anti-communist propaganda might have been the dumbest generation in history: they gave up a decent democracy with actual democratic say in how society is run in order to fear the world comfortably from home.

For Maga, democracy is too socialist. LOL: Remember when they literally said the Pope wasn't Christian enough.

Maga, all butt hurt with the slow, creeping realization, that they are the baddies.

Before: "Freeeeeeddommm of Speech".

Now: "News outlets must follow admin talking points or be hung for treason" We'll solve that buy just buying them out.

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