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Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by gerdesj »

singpolyma3 wrote: post #46

This is what slop used to mean. Then people started using it for everything and LLM assisted with. Language evolving faster than the tools...

"Maybe it's on Slack (or Teams), a text message, or an email. Maybe you were tagged in Notion or an Office doc."

I'm 55 years old. "slop" is way older than your examples. Try a dictionary, eg: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/slop

LLMs are tools. For me (wot had a C64 as one of my first computers) they are seriously close to magic but I understand what a "next token guesser" means.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

#52

Post by madrox »

namnnumbr wrote: post #19
madrox wrote: post #8

I find that I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior, even though I share the disdain for someone else's AI output. The people doing this kind of thing are not the kind of people to be reading this manifesto. We've been creating bait content for a long time, and humans have never been given the tools to manage this in any sophisticated fashion. The internet was not a bastion of high qu…

I acknowledge that those likely to copypaste slop aren't likely to find this article themselves, but I built the page to be shared or guide discussions around etiquette like nohello.net or dontasktoask.com. IMO a common understanding of AI etiquette would provide social pressure to halt some of these behaviors. I honestly don't mind someone else's AI as long as I can trust it/them . One problem I have with sloppypast…

I think you will find you will get farther by offloading this unpleasantness to an AI and open sourcing it rather than teaching etiquette to the internet, a place not known for its decency.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by benatkin »

parrellel wrote: post #43

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At the bottom, it references some stuff that came before widespread use of LLMs. One of them is no hello [0]. I disagree with no hello. If somebody wants to send a message that just says hello then they should go ahead and do that. The way that language works when someone thinks of something to say it often comes all at once. The only question is whether to say it or not, and that is the filtering stage. Now, I'm not one to begin my conversations with just a message "hello" or "hi" more than the average person. I think I do it less than the average person. Yet I was still taken aback by this request. I don't think that peoples' social instincts should be put aside so easily.

As for "Stop Sloppypasta", it doesn't feel like the content is AI-generated to me but it feels like the presentation of it is. I don't know whether that changes my opinion of the whole thing or just the presentation. As for the advice in it, it seems good, but it also seems a little bit brittle, because people can use an LLM session to review things generated in a different LLM session before sending with some success, and this will increase and therefore it's a moving target.

0: https://nohello.net/

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

#54

Post by causal »

mattbee wrote: post #45
uniq7 wrote: post #4

This article's proposal for stopping sloppypasta is to convince the people who does it to stop doing it, but I am more interested on what someone who receives sloppypasta can do. How do I tell my colleagues to stop contributing unverified AI output without creating tension between us? I've never did that so far because I feel like I am either exposing their serious lack of professionalism or, if I wrongly assumed it…

"I'm sorry to ask, but have you forwarded me unedited output from an LLM? I'd rather hear what you think!"

That's about as polite as you can get, and it's still risky: people get defensive, the output might NOT be from an LLM, etc.

That's the asymmetry of the problem: Writing with AI delegates the thinking to the reader as well as all the risk for correcting it.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by jaimex2 »

I have a prompt thats basically the CIA sabotage handbook for replying to any co-worker that dares send me LLM generated crap.

It includes 4 follow up actions and I automate check in messages to see how they are progressing with them.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by tonymet »

"just google it" or copying from google is just as bad. It's passive aggressive and aims to shut down dialog.

I wish there was a remedy. I block or mute the person when I can.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by falcor84 »

valicord wrote: post #12
madrox wrote: post #8

I find that I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior, even though I share the disdain for someone else's AI output. The people doing this kind of thing are not the kind of people to be reading this manifesto. We've been creating bait content for a long time, and humans have never been given the tools to manage this in any sophisticated fashion. The internet was not a bastion of high qu…

> I do find it interesting that people don't mind AI content, as long it's "their AI." The moment someone thinks it's someone else's AI output, the reaction is visceral. Isn't it obvious? If I'd wanted to see AI response to my question, I'd ask it myself (maybe I already did). If I'm asking humans, I want to see human responses. I eat fast-food sometimes, but if I was served a Big Mac at a sit down restaurant I'd be…

I am really into this approach of AI being used as a user-agent.

In particular, I've been thinking a lot about educational content, and what I'd love to ask educational providers for is not AI-generated content, but rather carefully human-built curricula offered in a structured manner, which my own AI could then use to create dynamic content for me.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by Rapzid »

This is one of my biggest pet peeves to the point where I'm often pondering how I can leave the industry now..

People who previously couldn't put in the effort or quality, are now vomiting tons of slop I'm meant to read and review.

PRs descriptions. Documentation. Plans. Etc.

Walls of sprawling text, "relevant files", linked references, unhelpful factoids, subtle inconsistencies and incoherencies.

It's oppressive like 95% humidity on a warm day.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

madrox wrote: post #8

I find that I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior, even though I share the disdain for someone else's AI output. The people doing this kind of thing are not the kind of people to be reading this manifesto. We've been creating bait content for a long time, and humans have never been given the tools to manage this in any sophisticated fashion. The internet was not a bastion of high qu…

> I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior

I ignore it. But if that isn’t an option, this sort of writing can help you convince someone in power around you it’s okay to ignore it.

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