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Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by pjmlp »

drawfloat wrote: post #49
pjmlp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still easier than dealing with node dependencies, webpack and co, they make me wish to write ASP with OCX components instead.

Your complaint is with Vite – famously incredibly simple and reliable to work with – using Rust, but you're bringing up webpack's complexity? Node dependencies are fine, add an npmrc file to have it default to exact versioning and you solve 90% of common day to day problems. It's not ideal, but nor is cargo's mystery meat approach to importing optional features from packages.

My remark, and not complaint, is that the fashion to rewrite everything in Rust across the JavaScript ecosystem proves the point of holding it wrong.

Maybe leave JavaScript on the browser, where it belongs.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#52

Post by rk06 »

Griffinsauce wrote: post #33
johnfn wrote: post #3

Vite 8 is pretty incredible. We saw around an 8x improvement (4m -> 30s) in our prod build, and it was nearly a drop-in replacement. Congrats (and thank you!) to the Vite team!

4 minutes?! How large is that app? Not meant as a gotcha but I'm surprised because people always tout it as being so much faster than Next. (4m with Turbo would have to be a crazy huge app IME)

most likely they are not running the prod build on latest mac. so it is slower.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by vbezhenar »

homebrewer wrote: post #47

Very pleased to see such performance improvements in the era of Electron shit and general contempt for users' computers. One of the projects I'm working on has been going for many years (since before React hooks were introduced), and I remember building it back in the day with tooling that was considered standard at the time (vanilla react-scripts, assembled around Webpack). It look maybe two minutes on a decent deve…

It is especially weird because JavaScript was not supposed to be processed at all! This is all wrong if you ask me. Web development should strive to launch unchanged sources in the browser. TypeScript also was specifically designed so engine could strip types and execute result code. These build tools should not exist in the first place.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by gdorsi »

Sweet, great job Vite team!

I wonder how much of the Rollup bundling magic has been ported to Rolldown.

One thing that always made this kind of switch to Rust has always been that Rollup has become so sophisticated that's hard to replace with something new.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#55

Post by maccard »

omnimus wrote: post #27
pjmlp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why go halfway, embrace compiled languages in the backend. Fast all the way down, especially when coupled with REPL tooling.

Because writing Rust backend is needlessly complex for majority of projects.

There’s a middle ground between node and rust. Dotnet and Java are wildly productive places to work but they’re not as exciting as rust.

Also, writing JavaScript for the backend is needlessly underperforming for anything with any load.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by bengale »

johnfn wrote: post #3

Vite 8 is pretty incredible. We saw around an 8x improvement (4m -> 30s) in our prod build, and it was nearly a drop-in replacement. Congrats (and thank you!) to the Vite team!

We saw 12m -> 2m on one of our biggest projects. Incredible really.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#57

Post by maccard »

pjmlp wrote: post #15

Another rewrite in Rust. What about finally stop using node.js for server side development?

I’m with you. It’s very telling when all of the tools are being rewritten and seeing orders of magnitudes of speed ups.

It just shows that people don’t value the actual performance of what they’re running.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by k4rnaj1k »

vbezhenar wrote: post #53
homebrewer wrote: post #47

Very pleased to see such performance improvements in the era of Electron shit and general contempt for users' computers. One of the projects I'm working on has been going for many years (since before React hooks were introduced), and I remember building it back in the day with tooling that was considered standard at the time (vanilla react-scripts, assembled around Webpack). It look maybe two minutes on a decent deve…

It is especially weird because JavaScript was not supposed to be processed at all! This is all wrong if you ask me. Web development should strive to launch unchanged sources in the browser. TypeScript also was specifically designed so engine could strip types and execute result code. These build tools should not exist in the first place.

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Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by __alexs »

vbezhenar wrote: post #53
homebrewer wrote: post #47

Very pleased to see such performance improvements in the era of Electron shit and general contempt for users' computers. One of the projects I'm working on has been going for many years (since before React hooks were introduced), and I remember building it back in the day with tooling that was considered standard at the time (vanilla react-scripts, assembled around Webpack). It look maybe two minutes on a decent deve…

It is especially weird because JavaScript was not supposed to be processed at all! This is all wrong if you ask me. Web development should strive to launch unchanged sources in the browser. TypeScript also was specifically designed so engine could strip types and execute result code. These build tools should not exist in the first place.

JavaScript was not supposed to a lot of things.
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