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3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

cannonpr wrote: post #49
paulluuk wrote: post #17

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I bought a 200 dollar jacket and it had holes in it within months, just from regular use. I have an old 3 dollar shirt I bought years ago and it's only now beginning to show wear. One problem this shows, is that as a consumer I have no idea what the hell is quality clothing. Clearly, expensive does not always mean high quality. And I'm not buying "brand" clothing either.

A “quality” jacket in the 1930s would cost 300-400$ or more inflation adjusted, it would also look less fashionable today, and feel somewhat less comfortable due to several concessions for durability in design. A durable quality jacket back then was also holding a majority market position, rather than being a niche good, which means that “quality clothes” do still seem to exist, but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for…

>but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for durable jeans

tf.

That’s clearly you looking for a specific fashion or intending to pay as much as you can.

Triple Aught Design jeans are $150 to $250 and I am skeptical you have anything that is outlasting them. Others brands surely as well. Seems to me you are still stuck in the “if it costs more…” line of thinking.

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by dogtimeimmortal »

yorwba wrote: post #15
doctorhandshake wrote: post #11

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I think this is an uncharitable view of the information on offer. The linked page similarly brands the technique with a trademarked WHOLEGARMENT label, claiming it’s a world first, so it doesn’t seem a stretch to see how these folks got to claiming it’s novel and making a bit of a todo about how it’s different. It also seems to have some business model implications that on first approximation look less than favorable…

According to the Shima Seiki history page: https://www.shimaseiki.com/company/dna/history/ it was a world first in 1995. That doesn't make it novel anymore in 2026. I would nonetheless find it interesting to read an "ultimate guide" explaining how the knitting machines work, but this ain't it.

These are not cheap machines! Looking around online, i found a lot of 4 Shima Seiki machines listed for $40k! If someone is interested getting into knitting, I would recommend starting with some cheap hand-crank machines from a brand like Sentro. You will learn a lot more, and there is a lot you can do with knit tubes. If absolutely don't want a tube, you can get a so-called panel machine. I think you can find one on Amazon or Etsy - i forget the listing i saw, but it was like $500(much less than a Shima Seiki).

Here are a couple useful sites to get started:

https://machineknitting.fandom.com/wiki/Machine_Knitting_Wik...

https://www.knittingparadise.com/forums/machine-knitting.20/

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by patall »

Would be cool if it could also de-knit to modify clothing or reuse later. I.e if there is a hole: automatically deknit, splice in a replacement and fix it. Or if your belly growth: deknit and make that section slightly wider.

And can you use finer yarn as well, like lace? The reason a sweater is knit like it is, is because of the tradeoff between knitting time and material needed. But if labor becomes free, you should be able to knit much bigger yet more delicate stuff.

Edit: ah, deknitting is called frogging

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by cannonpr »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #51
cannonpr wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A “quality” jacket in the 1930s would cost 300-400$ or more inflation adjusted, it would also look less fashionable today, and feel somewhat less comfortable due to several concessions for durability in design. A durable quality jacket back then was also holding a majority market position, rather than being a niche good, which means that “quality clothes” do still seem to exist, but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for…

>but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for durable jeans tf. That’s clearly you looking for a specific fashion or intending to pay as much as you can. Triple Aught Design jeans are $150 to $250 and I am skeptical you have anything that is outlasting them. Others brands surely as well. Seems to me you are still stuck in the “if it costs more…” line of thinking.

No, I am just buying import Japanese jeans from the folk that bought all of the original high quality jeans making machines when the Americans moved to the flexi stuff, the jeans I buy last with next to no damage for 10-15 years despite near daily wear. I will grant you that I am paying a premium for both import, and a particular quality of fabric, but honestly I look like farmer Joe mostly.

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by vessenes »

jeffreysmith wrote: post #29

I interviewed these guys for an article on the use of seaweed in yarn and fabric. And I bought the 3D knit seaweed sweater. Great team, with a lot of heart and good intentions. I'm also a hand knitter, and I don't really see any conflict between what they're doing and hand knitting. The grist of the yarn that you use as a hand knitter is generally much thicker than these machines commonly use. Commercial 3D knitting…

I have a small sweater line I’m looking at doing in china right now but I have a long lasting fascination with the shima seki machines. If you were doing a short fashion run would TI be appropriate? How does one get their preferred yarn over to someone like TI?

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by criticas »

teiferer wrote: post #56

Funny that they speak so negatively about "fast fashion". If anything I would expect on-demand clothes production contribute to an _increase_ in that phenomenon, rather than the opposite.

Not at these prices :-) $150 - $200 for a sweater is not cheap. I think of fast fashion in terms of "how many times do I have to wear it to get my money's worth?" If the answer is less than the number of times I'd wear it in a year, it's fast fashion. Of course, if you're a thrift shop shopper, most fashion is fast fashion.

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by criticas »

zokier wrote: post #10

So this is an ad for company that purchased an off-the-shelf industrial knitting machine and is trying to sell it as some new novel innovation with cringe "3d knitting" branding. If you go to the the manufacturer site you can find same talking points and plenty of logos: https://www.shimaseiki.com/wholegarment/

No, the bottom of the page says they subcontract production. So it's an infomercial for a company that markets sweaters they may or may not design. And they disclose that in the article, if very subtly.

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by _flux »

h2zizzle wrote: post #41
reverius42 wrote: post #28

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From 3d printed clothing, the obvious next step should be to have your phone take a 3d scan of you, and send it to the clothing designer to print it to your actual body size and shape. We could have truly unique sizing (none of this S/M/L/XL stuff)!

Edge case: people who are in the process of changing their body size/shape. Growing children, people losing weight, people gaining weight (they're out there), will all occasionally want to buy for where their body is going to be in the future, not where it is now. How to accommodate them?

I'm sure models predicting how their body changes (based on various parameters and previous scans of the particular person and other people) could be built, allowing to optimize for longest time period of "decent fit" at the cost of "perfect fit now".
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