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Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by root_user »

Finbel wrote: post #19
choeger wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? If "others with AI" deliver what you consume, it should also make it easier to deliver more than you consume because what you consume becomes cheaper. Maybe a part of the anxiety is the realization that much if what was delivered by well-paid people before AI is actually not something the very same people want to consume?

Problem is that "others with AI" aren't producing what I consume, i.e food, heat, clothing, housing and health care. They're just producing what I produce, i.e software.

That’s fine. New opportunities to provide value will emerge. If software becomes oversupplied, fewer people will enter that field and move to other areas where value is needed. If you only want to add value in the software space, then yes, it may be a problem.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by sfink »

sudo_cowsay wrote: post #2

Just join the right "communities" or else it might have very different results. A toxic community can exploit you (even if you make more value than you consume).

True, creating value isn't sufficient. But if you're creating value, you don't need that community; that community needs you. That doesn't mean it'll be easy to leave nor that you won't lose a lot by doing so, but it's better than being a leech. Leeches can only survive by finding another victim to suck blood from, and at some point that merry-go-round is going to run out of horsies. Pardon the mixed metaphors.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by PunchyHamster »

bob1029 wrote: post #7

> The trick is not to play zero sum games. This is what I have been saying the whole time. Go create value for others and don’t worry about the returns. This strategy is highly effective but it's also difficult to tolerate as an ordinary advanced ape. Watching others play less noble games and obtain easier wins can be discouraging over time. I have found that the less you care about money the easier it is to acquire.…

The problem is that you have to acquire money first to care less about it

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by simianwords »

avaer wrote: post #40

It's easy to create value for others and not worry about returns when you have enough money to not worry. Unfortunately for most people, there's plenty of companies willing to take the returns and leave you paycheck to paycheck. That's literally what they are optimized to do. I don't even disagree with the ideal, but I think a prerequisite step to this philosophy is UBI.

While I think you are not wrong, these are excuses to continue doing useless things

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by rvrs »

customname wrote: post #20
franciscop wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think e.g. the AI/LLM boom is all rent seeking? Do you think there's no positive value for the world on the recently announced e.g. MacBook Neo and that it's purely a monopolistic activity? Those are 2 clear recent examples of big players making massive benefits for the world, and I'm okay if they get X% of that value as company valuation.

Wait what's a new laptop doing to push the needle exactly? Genuinely curious

The Neo is supposed to be the budget version. I think MacOS is a decent computing platform for some engineering and creative endeavors -- if one more college kid gets access to it for cheaper I say it's a positive

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by rgun »

simianwords wrote: post #31
chunkyguy wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to understand the context. The quote in Gita was to motivate the best warrior of the time at the battlefront facing opponents who were mainly his cousins and uncles. In that context the quote is about performing the duties you were born to do without overthinking the consequences.

the context makes it even worse. its a strange kind of tribalism that is being promoted here. "do what you are asked to without understanding the real consequences". btw war is actual zero sum usually.

Do what you are asked to ≠ Your duty.

Duty of a warrior is to fight for his country/tribe/side. Duty of a king might be to reduce suffering for his subjects.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by camillomiller »

vasco wrote: post #38
bob1029 wrote: post #7

> The trick is not to play zero sum games. This is what I have been saying the whole time. Go create value for others and don’t worry about the returns. This strategy is highly effective but it's also difficult to tolerate as an ordinary advanced ape. Watching others play less noble games and obtain easier wins can be discouraging over time. I have found that the less you care about money the easier it is to acquire.…

> This strategy is highly effective but it's also difficult to tolerate as an ordinary advanced ape. Watching others play less noble games and obtain easier wins can be discouraging over time. A noble man that spends all his time jealous of the things the men without scruples have is not so much far from doing what they did. It's also what the men that did it before him told themselves "why play the right game if eve…

Disagree. You can still get fucking angry at how they’re capable of fooling others because of the skewed incentives we built in our capitalistic society

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by ingatorp »

beanshadow wrote: post #4

> it will continue to improve, but it won’t “go recursive” or whatever the claim is. It’s always been recursive. I suspect "going recursive" often colloquially means that AI systems achieve their exponential growth without human software engineers in the mix. This is a moment whose sudden apparent nearness does justify some of the ramping rhetoric, in my opinion.

I mean at this point, for that to happen it definitely isn't a matter of intelligence (it can fix errors later and learn from them), it's only a matter of memory and proper harness. Once memory it's solved for good, then recursive self-improvement is inevitable.
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