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Ad-tech is fascist tech

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Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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"...Google execs all work for their shareholders, in a psychotic "market system" in which the myth of "fiduciary duty" is said to require companies to hurt us right up to the point where the harms they inflict on the world cost them more than the additional profits those harms deliver" Nailed it.

Not really. The idea that "fiduciary duty" requires companies to maximize shareholder value is a pernicious Internet myth.

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Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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Is there anything that Doctorow actually enjoys and likes? I used to read his blog but it's constant negativity. He is not wrong at all but it's just not good for our mental health either.

Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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That myth long predates the internet version of it I think. Pernicious, yes. But note that the quote does call it out as a myth.

Fiduciary duty isn't a myth! It just doesn't mean what people claim it means.

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Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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Would you be assuaged if it was titled "Ad-tech is police state tech"?

I think that would definitely make it a more precise polemic, but the incorrect use of the word seems more of a symptom of the author's sloppiness than anything else.

You hate polemic, I dislike milquetoast.

Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiduciary duty isn't a myth! It just doesn't mean what people claim it means.

Will you enlighten us?

There is no legal requirement to maximize shareholder value. The very idea is an economic theory popularized by Friedman and his students.

It gained popularity in corporate governance since then but it’s not a legal requirement it’s a shareholder preference. But that preference is violated all the time.

People often cite a 1919 era case from Henry ford because it has a pithy statement but the court in that case explicitly upheld many of the decisions Ford made that violated the principle.

That is, there is no law or precedent that requires corporate officers to only consider shareholders.

Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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It saddens me to see this flagged, I did not have any predefined opinion about the author or the medium, but I did enjoy reading a text with a bit of character - which is becoming rare in these times of LLM omnipresence. And whether we like the form or not, this is an opinionated piece like many others we see on HN, with a thesis that I find pretty relevant. Beyond saddened, I am actually worried to see the HN community dismiss this type of post rather than discussing it like others.

Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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I'm open to another definition that attempts to faithfully capture the general dynamics of fascism, and avoids the trap of pigeonholing the term into a few specific movements that are now safely in the past.

Basing the definition on actual examples of fascist movements is not pigeonholing, it's being accurate.

So your definition is based on it being incorrect to call anything else besides Mussolini's Italy or Hitler's Germany fascist? That's not particularly germane to discussion or analysis, which is why I was asking for other general definitions.

Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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> Fascism, at least as the Nazi's defined and implemented it, is the belief that a socialist economy will work when the people have a similar genetic likeness. Wrong. You can read Umberto Eco's essay "Ur-Fascism" to have a more informed view.

I was going to share that myself.

It's available from its original publisher the New York Review of Books: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/>

If paywalled, also at The Anarchist Library: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fasci...>.

Robert O. Paxton's The Anatomy of Facism explores the concept in more detail, at book length. Those looking for a specific definition might prefer to skip forward to Chapter 8, "What Is Fascism?"

https://files.libcom.org/files/Robert%20O.%20Paxton-The%20An...>

Re: Ad-tech is fascist tech

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Why was this flagged? And, there's no vouch option Yes, Thiel openly says surveillance tech is the anti-Christ. Then, he goes on to build the tech. The frustrating thing is seeing it happen in real-time and knowing you can't inform or educate enough people.

Only [dead] stories can be vouched. It's still possible to vote for, or comment on, [flagged] stories.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38918548>

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