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Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by dylan604 »

varispeed wrote: post #12
bayarearefugee wrote: post #3

Humanity is almost definitely going to wipe itself out in the not too distant future through an avoidable (if not for the selfish greed of many of us) climate change resource war Great Filter event. This used to really bother me, but lately I'm thinking it is probably for the best.

We live in a sandbox. Unless we decide to work together to escape it, then there is no point in humanity to exist. All we essentially do is produce rubbish, poo and suffering.

> there is no point in humanity to exist

Did any one ever state that there was? Religious types will argue, but my counter is just humanity came up with religion as a stop gap in knowledge.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by hypeatei »

SoftTalker wrote: post #21
stouset wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that continuing to enjoy your existence is inflicting a massive toll of suffering around the world, to both others humans as well as non-humans. I’m not saying I’d be one to push the button, but I think it’s worth trying to understand the mindset of someone who would. It’s very arguable that pushing it would be the ethical thing to do.

What if the suffering is the point?

It is, because you can't have pleasure without suffering but I think these conversations should focus on the amount (maybe as a percentage) of suffering that someone/something experiences.

If you were locked in a room and being tortured, would you think it'd be appropriate for me to go: "they feed you at the end of each torture session, isn't it worth it to keep going for that?"

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by noosphr »

Havoc wrote: post #22

The sooner we get to true lab grown meat the better Meat is nice but would be better if we can skip the whole suffering thing

Lab grown mean doesn't work.

But debrained animals are certainly more plausible.

You just need a miminum interface to keep their bodies running. Cruelty free meat.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by diacritical »

criddell wrote: post #42

Here's a link to the bill if you are interested in who sponsored and cosponsored it. It's a total of 24 people, so it had a fair bit of support. If you live in the district of one of these people you might consider contacting them to let them know your opinion. https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/4673...

The "R-" after their names means they're all Republicans, right?

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by pmarreck »

noosphr wrote: post #53
Havoc wrote: post #22

The sooner we get to true lab grown meat the better Meat is nice but would be better if we can skip the whole suffering thing

Lab grown mean doesn't work. But debrained animals are certainly more plausible. You just need a miminum interface to keep their bodies running. Cruelty free meat.

I understand that at least chicken works.

also, you misspelled "meat" as "mean"

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by pmarreck »

globular-toast wrote: post #36
Havoc wrote: post #22

The sooner we get to true lab grown meat the better Meat is nice but would be better if we can skip the whole suffering thing

It's not even nice. People ate meat because fresh fruit and vegetables weren't available all year round or even at all. All good food has plants to make it taste nice. You can easily just skip the meat and go straight for the flavour.

The Alaskan word for "vegetables" is literally "boring food"

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by lux-lux-lux »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #28

Does anyone else ever find it odd that in posts like this the person posts a sad picture of a pig instead of a screenshot of the page of the bill they're talking about? I think "a provision that would condemn millions of pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates" is in fact horrific, however, outrage is the currency on places like X. Posting a page number sounds specific, but then why not post the page (or quote it)? Pa…

Yeah, why would someone trying to drum up opposition to the measure show the real-world impacts of it instead of the (easily Googlable) dry legalese? Real thinker, there.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by sosodev »

Havoc wrote: post #22

The sooner we get to true lab grown meat the better Meat is nice but would be better if we can skip the whole suffering thing

This is a false dichotomy. The choice is not lab grown or suffering. Farmed animals could live happy, healthy lives and then be culled in a humane way.

The problem is that it costs slightly more and our society is more concerned with cost than animal suffering.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by greygoo222 »

stouset wrote: post #8
mock-possum wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God what an awful prospect. How about when you push the button it only removes the button pushers, so the rest of us are free to continue enjoying our existence.

The point is that continuing to enjoy your existence is inflicting a massive toll of suffering around the world, to both others humans as well as non-humans. I’m not saying I’d be one to push the button, but I think it’s worth trying to understand the mindset of someone who would. It’s very arguable that pushing it would be the ethical thing to do.

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Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by bayarearefugee »

digitalsushi wrote: post #45
bayarearefugee wrote: post #3

Humanity is almost definitely going to wipe itself out in the not too distant future through an avoidable (if not for the selfish greed of many of us) climate change resource war Great Filter event. This used to really bother me, but lately I'm thinking it is probably for the best.

> This used to really bother me, but lately I'm thinking it is probably for the best. The older I get, the more careful I am to remember there's young people left in my wake and I get to decide whether I owe them anything or not - and, I make a personal belief that I do, a very great deal in fact. So getting comfortable that the whole system is damned and worth tossing is very convenient but too cavalier for me to fi…

> The older I get, the more careful I am to remember there's young people left in my wake and I get to decide whether I owe them anything or not - and, I make a personal belief that I do, a very great deal in fact.

I don't disagree with this at all, and on a personal level I do everything I can to reasonably leave things as good or better than I found them. I just no longer believe anything I do is going to pull humanity as a whole back from the edge.

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