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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by lwansbrough »

watwut wrote: post #49
lwansbrough wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

North Korea has the backing of the US' two most powerful adversaries, it was not a free pass. The US can deploy a carrier strike group faster than any nation can build a nuclear weapon. And after seeing the hellfire unleashed on Iran, it is clear that pursuing nuclear weapons may not be the answer it once appeared to be. Meanwhile, the so-called vassal states of the US - some of the richest countries on Earth mind yo…

Man, it seems much more like "must have" thing than it did just 2 years ago. And at that point it seemed more "must have" thing than it did 5 years ago. Trump does not mind nuclear proliferation anyway. If you pay Kushner enough, chances are they will even sell you a nuke. > Meanwhile, the so-called vassal states of the US I haven't seen that expression at all, ever. No one was called those state vasal states a year…

Well I won't deny that. Nevertheless, countries who "play ball" seem to have it pretty good. Awfully high cost to pay to stick it to the man in charge.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by pzo »

tgma wrote: post #13
pseingatl wrote: post #2

If you want to get the Iranian side of the story, look at presstv.ir.

> Iranian side of the story Islamic regime 's side. Rather key distinction v. Iranian people.

what stops us to use the same naming and call it USA Regime, Israeli Regime at this point?

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by SadErn »

keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

You're watching the wrong game.

This isn't politics. This is American imperialism. The constant wars happen regardless of who is elected or what they believe in. Even Obama had his Libya

The first thing you must understand, is this is the US protecting the Petro-dollar. China and Iran were trading goods for oil, and bypassing our currency. Nukes are a factor as well.

The rest is laid out plainly here: https://datarepublican.substack.com/p/data-analysis-of-the-s...

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by stef25 »

spankalee wrote: post #42
keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

The US needs a parliamentary system. Trump would have been dumped already. Instead we have to wait 3 more years to end this insanity.

> Instead we have to wait 3 more years to end this insanity.

Pray that you'll see the end of it in 3 years. It would be surprise if that ship can be turned around.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by Devasta »

Regardless of what you feel about the government of Iran, it is not inaccurate to say that country is in a fight for survival against a cabal of child molestors working to bring about the apocalypse.

Anything they do in this conflict is justified, anything less than their total victory is a disaster for the world.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by tgma »

pzo wrote: post #52
tgma wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iranian side of the story Islamic regime 's side. Rather key distinction v. Iranian people.

what stops us to use the same naming and call it USA Regime, Israeli Regime at this point?

Nothing stops you, but I suppose murdering tens of thousands of your own people is a fairly clear delineation that you are not a singular entity?

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by kakacik »

keiferski wrote: post #46
Neil44 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty big assumption you're making, that you know what people voted for.

I’d be glad to see evidence that people voted for interventions in the Middle East, if you have any. My impression is that a key part of Trump’s campaign was ending excessive foreign wars. There are lots of clips going around with him saying this.

Well yeah but he is a pathological liar, fraudster and a criminal. This was well known during 2nd election campaign.

Expecting to hold any promises just because they were said and got him where he wanted is a bit naive, don't you think? Or does the idea of 'but now he will act completely differently to his entire prior life!' makes any sense to you?

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by kdheiwns »

keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

A lot of people voted on a platform of pissing off a lot of people. A lot of people are pissed. Polls on the day of the invasion indicated a lack of support; since then a lot of people have shown that they're pissed, and now that voter base is supporting the admin and these actions because they see people getting pissed.

It sounds petty and dumb. Unfortunately, that's what's happening. 44% support the invasion. [1] That's identical to the constant 40-45% support the admin has had since day one. There has been no change in support and there never will be. There's absolutely no convincing them, leaving us with the only option of figuring out how we're supposed to deal with a country where nearly half the population has a mindset no different from willing kamikaze pilots.

[1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/majority-of-americ...

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by entropyneur »

Neil44 wrote: post #41
keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

Pretty big assumption you're making, that you know what people voted for.

It may indeed be the case that the candidate promised one thing and the voters acting irrationally (or correctly assuming he's a liar) voted with an expectation of him doing the exact opposite. The GP, however didn't say anything about voting. He was talking specifically about the mismatch between campaign promises and actions taken once in office.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by John23832 »

keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

That mechanism used to be shame.
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