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Post by throwawaysleep »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #30
lazypenguin wrote: post #26

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Yes, we recently posted for an entry/mid level position and we got 1800 applications in a few days. It’s impossible to filter the list, I spent several hours to see how feasible it was and after getting through maybe 150 applications I gave up. We’re a small team, we don’t have the resources to cut through the noise without just blanket rejecting people. There doesn’t need to be a board that vets jobs, there needs to…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem How do you vet mid level and entry developers? I know that sounds like a dumb question. But I only expect a mid level developer especially enterprise developers to turn well defined requirements into code. The bar is especially low in the age of AI. One is basically interchangeable for another. I have only interviewed senior level developers - ie people who I expect to…

But if that is the standard, what is the point of the mid level developer in the first place? I have a tool to turn well defined requirements into code and it is $20-200 a month.

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Post by nbhdcity »

I don’t want my application to be swallowed up in the deluge of bot applications either tho. Can you verify the other applicants too even maybe clearing that they meet a minimal qualification so my qualifying application actually gets reviewed?

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Post by throwawaysleep »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #40
operatingthetan wrote: post #31

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Do what everyone is doing (for better or worse): feed those into a CLI LLM, have it give you a csv of the top 20 candidates based on some criteria, manually review those.

What are the top 20 candidates if you just need a random “full stack developer”? All of their resumes look exactly the same.

Keep raising the bar until all but 20 are excluded.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

ikiris wrote: post #47
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #40

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What are the top 20 candidates if you just need a random “full stack developer”? All of their resumes look exactly the same.

If you're truly looking this generic, then what is the problem exactly with taking the bottom 20% of the stack since that's what your pay is going to be anyway?

In any second tier city the range for mid range developers is only $10K-$20K. You don’t really need rockstar ninja developers to do your standard CRUD LOB or SaaS app.

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Post by sqircles »

ipnon wrote: post #49
antonymoose wrote: post #2

What makes a job verified in this case? You can easily verify a firm exists, but that’s not really the critical part. The question “is this a ghost job with no intention to be filled” is the real struggle.

Put some money on the line. I'm not an economist but you could structure a market where you cannot just take up mental space in the job market for practically nil. That's the current malincentive, that companies put up job listings they have no intention of filling, even when candidates who are qualified by their own criteria apply. The current job market maladies are a perverse incentive of the price of posting a jo…

Interesting proposal, but I think it would take a good size of money. Maybe 50% escrow of first year salary?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #51
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem How do you vet mid level and entry developers? I know that sounds like a dumb question. But I only expect a mid level developer especially enterprise developers to turn well defined requirements into code. The bar is especially low in the age of AI. One is basically interchangeable for another. I have only interviewed senior level developers - ie people who I expect to…

But if that is the standard, what is the point of the mid level developer in the first place? I have a tool to turn well defined requirements into code and it is $20-200 a month.

I wouldn’t trust AI to do anything that I didn’t know how to do myself. You still need SMEs for mobile, web etc. you just need fewer of them.

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Post by not2b »

What does "verified" mean here? You can verify that a real company posted that job, but you can't verify whether it is fake in the sense that they really have an H1B candidate they really want for the position and they are just advertising it to meet legal requirements.

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Post by neya »

antonymoose wrote: post #2

What makes a job verified in this case? You can easily verify a firm exists, but that’s not really the critical part. The question “is this a ghost job with no intention to be filled” is the real struggle.

On top of this, you also cannot verify if the position was filled through another job board. The company/HR might say "we filled it through a different portal" and in most portals, expired listings don't show up and there is no way to verify if they actually did hire someone from there.
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