I do use pink for it though, usually pink on red or yellow background. It makes people feel more engaged and they write all sorts of happy emails about how epic blinking pink on rainbow ponicorn background wallpapers are. The 90s were a great time for the global internets ...
Stop using grey text (2025)
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Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#52Isn't most of the text on the page grey? It's not white, it's rgb(215,215,216). And the background is not black. Some worse examples are shown, but then the message comes across as "don't use grey unless you know what you're doing, like I do, because I'm using grey while I tell you not to use grey, but mine is okay." Maybe aside from the unset option, something more specific about a minimum contrast threshold would b…
Indeed the WCAG guidelines provide the following criteria * The visual presentation of text and images of text has a contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1, except for the following * Large Text: Large-scale text and images of large-scale text have a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 Grey is not the problem. Low contrast is the problem.
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#53Isn't most of the text on the page grey? It's not white, it's rgb(215,215,216). And the background is not black. Some worse examples are shown, but then the message comes across as "don't use grey unless you know what you're doing, like I do, because I'm using grey while I tell you not to use grey, but mine is okay." Maybe aside from the unset option, something more specific about a minimum contrast threshold would b…
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#54I created a ycombinator account after years of resisting, just to respond to this post. Stop creating web pages with huge-ass gutters/margins. If you are concerned about design you would realize your page looks ridiculous and borderline illegible on modern screens (that are not phones). Text color is an issue, but layout is worse.
They have huge gutters and margins, and not-quite-black text on creme/off-white/never-actually-white backgrounds... why? Because it's easier of the eyes for long blocks of text.
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#55There's pretty much nothing in the natural world that has the contrast ratio a modern screen can produce. It is easier on the eyes to not have blindingly high contrast.
No printed page in any book or magazine you've seen has ever had contrast ratio a screen can show. It's just not possible to do.
Legibility can be an issue, and is good to discuss. I agree that when something like "@media (prefers-contrast: more)" is set, text should be at a higher contrast level for those with lower vision. But don't blind everyone else in the process.
>... the amount of times per day I ask myself if I’m literally going blind, only to find out the “designer” decided for me how I should best read their website.
Yes? That's what the designers of literally everything do, decide how it will be presented to you. The magic part of HTML/CSS is you can change that to suit your needs.
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#561. People using TTY's used black ink on very-light-yellow roll paper, or
2. Those lucky enough to have ADM-3 VDT's often chose light green or light orange on black.
Just sayin.
e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220#/media/File:DEC_VT220_te...
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#57While we're wishing, let's bring back serifs. I, for one, would like to be able to tell the difference between AI and Al without context clues, and using an inherently lossy font is the opposite of "readability".
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#58No. There's pretty much nothing in the natural world that has the contrast ratio a modern screen can produce. It is easier on the eyes to not have blindingly high contrast. No printed page in any book or magazine you've seen has ever had contrast ratio a screen can show. It's just not possible to do. Legibility can be an issue, and is good to discuss. I agree that when something like "@media (prefers-contrast: more)"…
The natural world has much better contrast than the majority of screens. Not everyone has or affords a Mac Retina display. The main issue is, that, since some 10 years, UX experts appeared who pushed away configurability in favor of gray on gray ( remember when you were able to select the background and foreground color ?). The majority of screens have crappy contrasts (100:1).
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed the WCAG guidelines provide the following criteria * The visual presentation of text and images of text has a contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1, except for the following * Large Text: Large-scale text and images of large-scale text have a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 Grey is not the problem. Low contrast is the problem.
Did anyone calculate the contrast on this page?
Re: Stop using grey text (2025)
#60While we're wishing, let's bring back serifs. I, for one, would like to be able to tell the difference between AI and Al without context clues, and using an inherently lossy font is the opposite of "readability".
You are not alone. I got criticism on my blog for using a serif font but those people are just … wrong. Serif fonts are just better for reading at all font sizes.