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Palantir and other tech companies are stocking offices with tobacco products

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Re: Palantir and other tech companies are stocking offices with tobacco products

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Post by OutOfHere »

I strongly urge against consuming any tobacco or nicotine product. At the very least, it's very bad for your heart in pretty much every form, whether pure or impure, smoked or absorbed. Besides being directly bad for the heart, nicotine also metabolizes to carcinogens.

If you need a boost beyond caffeine, consider a square of 95% or 100% dark chocolate. It works. It too stresses the heart mildly, and can aggravate reflux a lot, but overall it's significantly safer than any tobacco product. You can also eat more of it if as needed.

The only sane time to take pure nicotine might be if someone is dying from Covid, their lungs are collapsing, and one desperately needs a daytime breathing boost.

Re: Palantir and other tech companies are stocking offices with tobacco products

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Post by api »

I've been wondering how long it would take for tobacco to make a comeback given that we seem to be in a weird era where it's some kind of flex to embrace idiotic ideas.

Nicotine (without tobacco e.g. Zyn or gum) does seem to have some nootropic-ish properties but it's vastly inferior to a lot of other things and has major addiction/tolerance problems. It's not a great performance enhancer for anything but very sporadic use.

Re: Palantir and other tech companies are stocking offices with tobacco products

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Post by D-Machine »

Georgelemental wrote: post #19
jdross wrote: post #4

“While the pouches are considered a tobacco product, they don’t contain any tobacco, and are instead made from the plant fiber cellulose” It’s just Zyn, which doesn’t seem that dramatically different than coffee. But maybe that’s because I don’t drink coffee or use nicotine

Nicotine is addictive, much more so than coffee

It is really not so clear at all this is the case for pure nicotine products. See https://gwern.net/nicotine#habit-formation, and https://gwern.net/nicotine#dependence for a starter / some brief counter-evidence.

Re: Palantir and other tech companies are stocking offices with tobacco products

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Post by jmye »

sph wrote: post #38
Georgelemental wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is addictive, much more so than coffee

Utter nonsense. I have replaced my ADHD prescription with nicotine patches, and in my experience I have had worse withdrawals, and greater desire to consume caffeine than either dermal nicotine or dexamfetamine. And I’m only a cup a day kinda guy, and I used to be a heavy smoker for years, so I know how dangerous the stuff can be. If we’re talking about smoking or vaping, or nicotine pouches, sure, but mode of admini…

> mode of administration and how quickly it peaks in your bloodstream cannot be hand-waved away like that.

Then surely you have some evidence, especially that caffeine is more addictive, rather than "hand-waving it away" via personal anecdote?

Re: Palantir and other tech companies are stocking offices with tobacco products

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Post by jmye »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #21
cush wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coffee doesn’t give you mouth cancer

According to several reputable sources (cancer societies around the world), it isn't known if this is a risk yet. What are you being this on? I'm not encouraging anyone to use these things, but we should only make claims that are based on evidence.

Given the long-term, widespread usage of coffee, is there something specific they're waiting on? Or is that an "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" thing?

Your final statement doesn't really add value without knowing that, unless you agree that we shouldn't assume other people are actually people, and not lizards in people suits until they prove, definitively, otherwise.

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