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Re: Building a new Flash

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adrian17 wrote: post #10
HanClinto wrote: post #5

> .fla / XFL import — This is the one I’m most proud of. You can open your old Flash files. As far as I know, this is the only open-source tool that functions as a full authoring environment and can actually import .fla files. Not just play them back — edit them. The backwards compatibility here is pretty clutch. I agree -- if he can build something that is compatible with old files AND pushes things forward for new,…

AFAIK the .fla format was never fully documented or reverse engineered by anyone (FFDEC has an exporter, but not importer), so this alone would be a bold claim.

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Re: Building a new Flash

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Post by sneak »

spondyl wrote: post #45

This post raises a few flags in my mind that it was at least partly generated by an LLM? That isn't to suggest that this editor doesn't/won't exist, that the editor uses LLM-generated code (which is not a sleight) or that the claims are not truthful. The main things that jump out are the inconsistency in writing style (sometimes doing all lowercase and no punctuation) but then the brief rundown is all perfect spellin…

https://git.eeqj.de/sneak/prompts/src/branch/main/prompts/LL...

Re: Building a new Flash

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Post by K0balt »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #36

Think in this day and age starting your project off saying it's open source but making sure to open the patreon first and take money before the repo is a bad start when the reason for the project existing is a closed source paid product is being discontinued. Especially if the dev is working on a sound editor, something Flash doesn't actually need before even having an outputted example up and running or even a video…

Hmm.

Re: Building a new Flash

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Post by fuzzy_biscuit »

nosrepa wrote: post #20
cableshaft wrote: post #7

I made Flash Games back in the day. Here's my old profile on Newgrounds: https://cableshaft.newgrounds.com/ One thing Flash had that nothing else has really seemed to replicate as well since, is an environment that both coders and artists could use. I'd collaborate with an artist, they'd make their animations within an FLA, send it to me, and then I'd copy+paste into the project file, and it'd just work. I could even…

Thank you for reminding me of the Clock Crew. The Internet used to be fun.

Strawberry Clock is our king!

Re: Building a new Flash

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Post by sfifs »

mikepurvis wrote: post #3
nickpsecurity wrote: post #2

I remember trying out Macromedia Flash 6.0. My GUI apps were ugly at the time. Learning to build something like I saw in the movies could take years. Then, Flash let me throw together beautiful, animated interfaces like it was nothing. One could do quite a bit after one tutorial. (Note: Quick shoutout to Dreamweaver 6.0 which was a power, WYSIWYG editor. Today, things like Pinegrow might fill the niche.) It's death a…

The "pay to sell your work" model is basically what Autodesk does to provide a version of Fusion that's free/accessible to the hobby 3d printing market while still protecting their b2b revenue. I haven't looked in a while, but I believe there's music and audio production tools with similar approaches.

More impressively, Da Vinci Resolve is actually free with no restrictions. It is a high end video editor that film makers and professional film studios use (together with hardware and some paid features) from black magic design. Incredibly impressive. Affinity Photo and PhotoPea are also now free without restrictions.

Re: Building a new Flash

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Post by latexr »

roywiggins wrote: post #49
latexr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no mention of any vibe coding in the post. Believe it or not, there are people who are still able to program by themselves.

The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc. It's fine, it seems like a fun project to vibe code. Not sure about raising money on Patreon for it, but

> The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc.

No, not “etc”. What else looks LLM-formatted about them? Because em-dashes are not enough to claim LLM.

Look, I get that you don’t care about proper typographic characters. You don’t have to, that’s fine. But many of us humans do.

https://www.gally.net/miscellaneous/hn-em-dash-user-leaderbo...

And going from “LLM-formatted lists” (without any certainty) to vibe-coded project is a huge leap.

Re: Building a new Flash

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Post by latexr »

GaggiX wrote: post #44
latexr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no mention of any vibe coding in the post. Believe it or not, there are people who are still able to program by themselves.

I'm not the parent comment but if you look at the images they posted you can see that the icons of the tools seems very likely to have been generated by a LLM (the SVGs).

> the icons of the tools seems very likely to have been generated by a LLM

They just look like bad rushed placeholder icons. And why does that immediately scream vibe-coded?

Re: Building a new Flash

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Post by roywiggins »

latexr wrote: post #57
roywiggins wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc. It's fine, it seems like a fun project to vibe code. Not sure about raising money on Patreon for it, but

> The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc. No, not “etc”. What else looks LLM-formatted about them? Because em-dashes are not enough to claim LLM. Look, I get that you don’t care about proper typographic characters. You don’t have to, that’s fine. But many of us humans do. https://www.gally.net/miscellaneous/hn-em-dash-user-leaderbo... And going from “LLM-formatted lists” (without any cer…

They are very even. They are uniformly bolded. They're long and comprehensive. Most humans would have more variation in length unless they were working to a template or a style guide. A long catalogue of tools is also just way more detail than most people would put into an announcement post... but an LLM doesn't get tired and will barf all that out if you don't stop it.

A more robust and perhaps more vivid indicator are sentences like this: "This isn’t a proof of concept or a weekend project. It’s a real authoring environment."

"It's not X, it's Y" is an LLM tell. "It's a real Z" is another. Together? I'm going to conclude it's LLM generated to like a 90% certainty.

And as the sibling notes, the icons look like LLM SVG output. They're more mangled than even a rushed human would do.

Again, it's fine. If I had more time I'd love to try to vibecode a Flash clone.

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