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Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

burningChrome wrote: post #35
snailmailman wrote: post #5

This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets. This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a nationa…

>> This is a quite scary map. It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime. I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pull…

> However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop

At what point do we accept that all systems are flawed? There could be many variables as to why the perp wasn't in the car. Maybe the perp stole the car. Maybe the perp borrowed the car. Maybe these systems do not work well in fog etc etc. I don't know how we're supposed to advance technology that makes us safer without getting into these muky situations from time to time.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by qup »

LordGrey wrote: post #49

Coincidentally, a nearby county has just announced that they have begun installing new Flock cameras [0]. Their stated reason is: "Along with the cameras being used to reduce crime, the sheriff’s office said they may also be used for public safety concerns, including AMBER Alerts and Silver Alerts." The cameras are good when we're all on the happy path, but as soon as a bad actor gets involved, all of that surveillan…

The odds are 100% that it will be abused.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by habinero »

tonymet wrote: post #37

I volunteer for my city & county , and I'm a privacy advocate, so I have an ambivalent opinion on Flock cameras. Given the completely untenable demands on law enforcement, and extreme driver recklessness , the only practical way to enforce law and order with drivers is some sort of automated surveillance. Since covid, driver recklessness has been out of control. Running reds, extreme speed, escaping police are all co…

> At the same time, the public demands more oversight and constraints on police , which reduces their ability to enforce the law

Don't make excuses for them. If you're legally allowed to kill people on purpose, you (should) get oversight and tight constraints. We don't because of a lot of reasons, but we should

They get paid six figure salaries for not actually doing a whole lot, they can manage.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by habinero »

dylan604 wrote: post #11
bigwheels wrote: post #3

When your car gets stolen, suddenly nobody can access the data. Are there any coordinated efforts for widespread scrubbing or removal of these parasitic devices?

When your car gets stolen, even with camera data, the police will not do anything.

The city might call you in a month when it gets towed wherever it was abandoned. The cops aren't going to look for it. That happened to me once.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by Firerouge »

burningChrome wrote: post #35
snailmailman wrote: post #5

This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets. This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a nationa…

>> This is a quite scary map. It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime. I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pull…

Do you have a source to your Bryan claim?

If you look at the map, there are zero flock cameras reported in that region.

None in Moscow Idaho where the murder happened, none in Pullman where he lived, and none showed between the locations.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by baggy_trough »

ux266478 wrote: post #48
cm2012 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it obvious? > License plate is reported to police associated with a crime. > Cop looks up plate number > Flock Camera shows general status and location of that license plate. > Cops find the car involved with the crime, preventing further criminality.

So they're useless for crimes not involving a reported license plate? Sounds like a pretty worthless marginal gain. The Chinese have done it better since their mass surveillance apparatus isn't contingent on reported license plates, or even the involvement of a vehicle. Start a fight on the street and they'll find you. Is America really this incompetent that they can't match a 10+ year old system?

No, that's just one of the things you can search on.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by Ajedi32 »

doctor_radium wrote: post #40
glitcher wrote: post #24

In my area I'm seeing a few random ones on roadways, but mostly clusters of them in the parking lots of Home Depots, Lowes, and Wal-Marts.

Same here, but just Lowes stores. That I know of. I surveiled the two local Lowes roughly a month ago and found two cameras not mapped, which I gleefully added myself. Want to send them a snail mail complaint at some point stating they won't be getting my business until they step back from turning us into a police state.

Are they Flock cameras or bog standard CCTV?

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

mikece wrote: post #27
cdrnsf wrote: post #7

Remember, according to Flock's CEO, Deflock is a terrorist organization.

Yes, and according to Steve Ballmer (back in the day) Linux Torvalds was a terrorist. People are allowed to say stupid things.

Everyone who is not content with the way I do business must be a terrorist for sure. o_o
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