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Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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This is North Korean logic. Who is Iran? The tiny minority of people with guns to everyone's heads? The entity acting right now is a small ruling clique presenting themselves as 'Iran'. A regime loses legitimacy to act when they don't have internal legitimacy - or does not act with legitimacy either. Iran is supporting massive conflicts in Yemen, and is building non-defensive weapons capabilities. That does not make…

A sovereign state has been attacked, in the middle of negotiations. Their leader has been assassinated, civilians murdered. What should they do? They have every right to resist this criminal assault. I really don't see where North Korea comes into it. My initial post was actually echoing what we hear in the UK every time Israel assaults its neighbours.

It's North Korea talk because they are the extreme example of illegitimacy.

"A sovereign state"

Sovereign by who's terms?

A gang of people hold another group of people hostage, we have to respect their supposed sovereignty?

And the sovereignty of the majority of the people who reject the regime and who are murdered, tortured?

We're just going to respect a group of thugs claim to control national sovereignty?

The point being - the regimes lack of legitimacy aggravates their claim to 'sovereignty'.

"They have every right to resist this criminal assault."

They probably don't (lack of legitimacy) - and - this really isn't a situation of 'rights' anyhow, this is a break down in order, it's just about power.

And of course - 'rights' - the rights of their citizens murdered and tortured, how do that integrate into this question?

There are international laws here, but there is also legitimacy.

If we could be certain (and we almost could) that literally the vast majority of people in Iran, do not believe in the legitimacy of their own government ...

... then it's ridiculous to talk about 'a sovereign state' or 'a leader' has been killed.

There is a 'Theocratic Feudal Clan' holding power in the country, and they were attacked.

Israel is a very odd state, but with similar lack of legitimacy - except that Iran has made directly claims to the total destruction of the state, and Israel's internal crimes notwithstanding, they have a practical right to defend themselves.

The assault was ordered by a semi-Feudal Lord of 'House Trump' - as US citizens don't support this war, neither was the Executive given consent by Congress.

'Sovereignty' is mostly rhetorical term in a context were legitimacy is not applied.

This is a war being fought where none of the citizens approve of any of it, the claims on all sides are aggrandized.

This conflict is probably best understood like those in Europe before Napoleon and national armies etc..

Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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They're really determined to prove that they're the bad guys after all, huh?

Hard to compete with bombing female elementary schools.

Last I checked this was never confirmed to have actually happened.

Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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> The tiny minority of people with guns to everyone's heads? Yes, I am sure the patients in this hospital were holding guns to Trump's head. https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2026/3/2/baby-and-p... And while we're speaking of people that hold guns to everyone's heads, there is one country that is waging war all over the world. It's govt also executed people in broad daylight for the crimes of taking their kid…

>And while we're speaking of people that hold guns to everyone's heads, there is one country that is waging war all over the world. It's govt also executed people in broad daylight Isn't that Iran? Remember the mass killings of the protestors? 36000 intentional deaths (Iran) vs 50 possibly accidental deaths (USA) [0]. Even if the deaths in the US were mediated by a burning hatred with the fire of a thousand suns that…

Yes, proportionality tends to tip us over.

We see ICE being evil in front of us, we don't see the actions of the Iranian regime, our 'daily ire' is reserved for the Orange Menace, so it badly distorts our rhetoric.

I don't think anyone should care about the Iranian regime - other than it might get worse, or unstable, or create a regional conflict that will just create more problems for everyone.

Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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> in order to extract resources from the local government in Iraq and Lebanon. How evil of them to do that. They should have known only the United States of America has the divine right to invade countries and extract their resources. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4grxzxjjd8o > That's called Imperialism and was common among european powers in the 19th century Fortunately, the USA does not want to revive such pra…

> How evil of them to do that. They should have known only the United States of America has the divine right to invade countries and extract their resources Yes, OP was already saying Iran is free to act because the US is an imperial power. I was merely stating that he is conveniently ignoring Iran's imperialist behavior

Equating Iran's struggle against a genocide in Palestine with Imperialism is misinformed at best, criminal at worst. Either way, only a zionist could say that, which makes this conversation completely useless.

Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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> How evil of them to do that. They should have known only the United States of America has the divine right to invade countries and extract their resources Yes, OP was already saying Iran is free to act because the US is an imperial power. I was merely stating that he is conveniently ignoring Iran's imperialist behavior

Equating Iran's struggle against a genocide in Palestine with Imperialism is misinformed at best, criminal at worst. Either way, only a zionist could say that, which makes this conversation completely useless.

Can't say how taking over Iraq for economic reasons helps the Palestinians but sure

Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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A sovereign state has been attacked, in the middle of negotiations. Their leader has been assassinated, civilians murdered. What should they do? They have every right to resist this criminal assault. I really don't see where North Korea comes into it. My initial post was actually echoing what we hear in the UK every time Israel assaults its neighbours.

It's North Korea talk because they are the extreme example of illegitimacy. "A sovereign state" Sovereign by who's terms? A gang of people hold another group of people hostage, we have to respect their supposed sovereignty? And the sovereignty of the majority of the people who reject the regime and who are murdered, tortured? We're just going to respect a group of thugs claim to control national sovereignty? The poin…

You know who's really illegitimate, those pesky americaners. If they hadn't given a big and ILLEGAL, big bad in terms of international law, declaration to King George. Then the whole world wouldn't have spent the last 80 years with a gun to their heads while the US runs roughshod over every country on earth creating endless instability and wars.

Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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These countries are not sovereign states. They are western puppets with western armies on their territory. It makes these attacks only legitimate.

You are flatly wrong. These countries are internationally recognized sovereign nations and members of the UN. They have independent, often conflicting interests and foreign policies. Meanwhile the US bases are held under formal leases, not through force.

If they didn't allow these US bases it's pretty likely US and Israel would be bombing those countries as well.

Re: Iran attacks RAF base in Cyprus, an EU country

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Well, actually yes they did contribute to the attack on the Republic. See[1]. [1] : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20l1v0ldqzo

Your link actually says they were contributing to the defense not the attack > The US-Israeli strikes were launched after negotiations to limit Iran's nuclear programme ended without a deal. The UK did not participate.

> The US-Israeli strikes were launched after negotiations to limit Iran's nuclear programme ended without a deal. The UK did not participate.

The negotiations didn't end without a deal, they were ongoing but not finalized. The next session of the negotiations was scheduled for Monday. And then, Israel and US simply attacked on Saturday.

It is very important to use precise language so as to not downplay the illegal aggression against Iran.

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