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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by c0balt »

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by friendzis »

nickk81 wrote: post #15
roxolotl wrote: post #13

I don’t think this is what it’ll look like. Ads are going to be way insidious. One major power of these chatbots is persuasion. The end goal isn’t bombardment it’s going to be more subtle.

Yes, I think so too. But I wanted to show this very OBVIOUSLY in an instant. I think the most powerful part of ads in AI/LLMs is going to be subtle suggestions in responses from AI, so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc.

> so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc.

The scary part: they are already doing that. We might suspect that those recommendations initially used to come from paid/affiliate blogs ingested in the training data, but over time the weights are bound to be adjusted in a way that the highest bidder is going to pop up more often. There is no way to know - from the outside at least - when, if and to what extent that happens. And it all happens under the guise of plausible deniability.

Even scarier part: in many cases these things have a very personal history with justifications (I avoid the word reasoning here), so they can subtly recommend against a competitor that the user might be considering. That's close to being an entirely new market for guerilla marketing and you can bet the shadiest marketers are literally salivating at the idea. "Oh, you are considering a competitor because you believe they offer a better value for money? Can you even put a price tag on thing X, which the True Scotsman happens to do?"

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by Induane »

nickk81 wrote: post #25
makerofthings wrote: post #23

It's quite hard to tell what is satirical AI Ads and what is this 99helpers.com site, which is also really covered in pushy messages and trying hard to sell me something. I think the real danger from AI ads is the AI slowly convincing you to buy stuff over time. It's going to be super effective with the less technically adept.

A lot of the text on 99helpers is very new, and needs more polish. So I get your point.

What does Poland have to do with this?!

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by pornel »

nickk81 wrote: post #15
roxolotl wrote: post #13

I don’t think this is what it’ll look like. Ads are going to be way insidious. One major power of these chatbots is persuasion. The end goal isn’t bombardment it’s going to be more subtle.

Yes, I think so too. But I wanted to show this very OBVIOUSLY in an instant. I think the most powerful part of ads in AI/LLMs is going to be subtle suggestions in responses from AI, so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc.

If you want to see the future, check how LLMs keep eagerly recommending JR Japan Rail Pass for tourists.

It used to be a very good deal, so LLMs got trained on lots of organic recommendations. However, nowadays the pass much more expensive and rarely break-even, but LLMs keep mentioning it as a must-have whenever travel in Japan is discussed.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by jazzyjackson »

You can also just use deep.ai , it's been free and ad supported. They even adjust what model you get behind the scenes based on value of your eyeballs (Americans get higher end models than Latvians, since there is a higher income from ads served to Americans)

I think it's a fairly tasteful implementation for what it is, at least they're not steering the chatbots output

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by z_ »

nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Now file the patents.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by SecretDreams »

aduty wrote: post #28

You forgot the part where they charge you to get rid of the ads but then the ads come back anyway so you're paying to be the product.

Yes, this is the silicon valley special. They get us to pay for a sub. Then they get us to pay for an ad free sub. Then the ads come anywho lol.
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