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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by johnbarron »

NickAndresen wrote: post #15

"They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as…

Is this the same Administration that reversed a previous block, and allowed NVIDIA to sell H200 to China?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by outside1234 »

liuliu wrote: post #44

It may not be obvious. But this is actually a good thing when we looking back in a few years. I always feel weird that executive branch can just destroy private enterprise with "Supply-chain Risk" / "Terrorist List" without Due Process.

I guess the worry is that we don't get Due Process here and they destroy them to make an example of them.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by Someone1234 »

Topics like this are where I struggle with HN philosophy. Normally avoiding politics and ideology where possible, created higher quality and more interesting discussions.

But how do you even begin to discuss that Tweet or this topic without talking about ideology and to contextualize this with other seemingly unrelated things currently going on in the US?

I genuinely don't think I'm conversationally agile enough to both discuss this topic while still able to avoid the political/ideological rabbit-hole.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by wrs »

coffeemug wrote: post #32

I can honestly understand both positions. The U.S. military must be able to use technology as it sees fit; it cannot allow private companies to control the use of military equipment. Anthropic must prevent a future where AIs make autonomous life and death decisions without humans in the loop. Living in that future is completely untenable. What I don’t understand is why the two parties couldn’t reach agreement. Surely…

Because the current government wants unquestioning obedience, not a discussion (assuming they were capable of that level of nuanced thought in the first place). The position of this government is "just do what I say or I will hit you with the first stick that comes to hand".

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

techblueberry wrote: post #2

So they are such a risk to national security that no contractor that works with the federal government may use them, but they're going to keep using them for six more months? So I guess our national security is significantly at risk for the next six months?

Isn't this our governments classic negotiation strategy? Go to the extreme, and meet somewhere well on their side of the middle.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by Me1000 »

tgma wrote: post #19
techblueberry wrote: post #2

So they are such a risk to national security that no contractor that works with the federal government may use them, but they're going to keep using them for six more months? So I guess our national security is significantly at risk for the next six months?

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Then you go to another supplier. But any company with proper counsel will tell them the same thing: don't break the law, which is exactly what they're trying to coerce Anthropic into doing. DoD requests do not supersede the law.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bubblewand wrote: post #47
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16

This is going to have two unintended consequences. One, it’s going to fuck with the AI fundraising market. That includes for IPO. If Trump can do this to Anthropic, a Dem President will do it to xAI. We have no idea where the contagion stops. Two, Anthropic will win in the long run. In corporate America. Overseas. And with consumers. And, I suspect, with investors.

> In corporate America A lot of corporate America contracts for the military in some capacity (it's a giant piggy bank and if you jump through a few hoops you get to siphon money out of it, so of course they do) and assuming this Tweet is accurate (Jesus, what a world) this will also affect them. IDK maybe they have corporate structures that avoid letting this kind of thing mess too badly with the parts of their comp…

> lot of corporate America contracts for the military in some capacity

And a lot does not, or does so through dedicated subsidiaries so they can work multinationally.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by stdgy »

outside1234 wrote: post #36
WesleyJohnson wrote: post #28

What player is going to step in and do what Anthropic wouldn't? Or, worse, will the DoW try to author its own AI to go where private AI won't?

Probably Grog, which probably means even worse outcomes

At least we'll have hyper sexualized child soldiers to look forward to in our upcoming xAI powered civil war!

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by jmward01 »

eckelhesten wrote: post #4

Hard decision by Anthropic, but at least they can sleep well at night knowing their products doesn’t kill human beings around the world.

'yet'. Their reason for not allowing autonomous weapons usage was it isn't ready, not that they wouldn't do it on principle. Only the surveillance objection was on principle.
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