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Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by KeplerBoy »

biophysboy wrote: post #36
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

Am I too much of an idealist to hope that AI leads to less buggy software? On the one hand, it should reduce the time of development; on the other hand, I'm worried devs will just let the agents run free w/o proper design specs.

It might actually turn out like that. A lot of bloat came from efforts to minimize developer time. Instead of truly native apps a lot of stuff these days is some react shaped tower of abstractions with little regard for hardware constraints.

That trend might reverse if porting to a best practice native App becomes trivial.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by LtWorf »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

I really dont understand that at all. Web Pages are mostly static, you would think the iPhone would cache websites reasonably well. I remember on Android I dont recall the app name specifically, but it would let me download any website for offline browsing or something, would use it when I knew I might have no internet like a cruise. Heck there used to be an iOS client for HN that was defunct after some time, but it…

Web pages that make sense are mostly static. But these days articles need to load each paragraph dynamically, so in order to save 3kb in case you wouldn't finish the article you need to download 5mb of js to do that, plus a bunch of extra handshakes.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by ibejoeb »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

I really dont understand that at all. Web Pages are mostly static, you would think the iPhone would cache websites reasonably well. I remember on Android I dont recall the app name specifically, but it would let me download any website for offline browsing or something, would use it when I knew I might have no internet like a cruise. Heck there used to be an iOS client for HN that was defunct after some time, but it…

Obviously it depends on what you're consuming, but popular sites are rarely static web pages.

Safari suspends backgrounded tabs. I think that's what we're observing here rather than strictly memory pressure.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by niek_pas »

trvz wrote: post #15
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #7

I recently upgraded from the Pixel 7 to the 10. Nothing but regret - the phone isn't worse, but it's not better either, and I had to reinstall everything. Why did I do this?

That’s on Google. iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max are amazing upgrades.

From the 16?

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by vessenes »

walterbell wrote: post #43
torben-friis wrote: post #21

The latest phone reviews have been eyebrow raising. The just announced pixel is the same phone as last year. I know it sounds like a usual complaint, but look at the actual specs, it literally is the same phone with differences so small that hey might have passed as regional variance. As for the Samsung, the screen can darken when looked from the side for privacy. That’s pretty much it. Price increased though. Couple…

Upcoming Apple display mounted to wall or robot arm is rumored to have audio interface and new OS without 3rd-party apps, only "AI". Jony Ive at OpenAI is rumored to have smart speaker, pendant, pen and bone-conducting headset in the launch pipeline. Audio interfaces, no screens, Meta is selling millions of smart glasses, with Apple and others following. If the memory market was not distorted, home AI + agents + open…

I'd love a working bone conduction headset. Also a subvocalization to agent thingy that worked.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by fzeroracer »

biophysboy wrote: post #36
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

Am I too much of an idealist to hope that AI leads to less buggy software? On the one hand, it should reduce the time of development; on the other hand, I'm worried devs will just let the agents run free w/o proper design specs.

Considering how many companies that have adopted AI led to disastrous bugs and larger security holes?

I wouldn't call it an idealist position as much as a fools one. Companies don't give a shit about software security or sustainable software as long as they can ship faster and pump stocks higher.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by jsheard »

mikepurvis wrote: post #25
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

Wasn't the 2DS just a 3DS minus the lenticular screen, and especially minus the front-facing camera that did face tracking to improve the quality of the 3D? My understanding was that market research showed a lot of users were turning off the 3D stuff anyway, so it seemed reasonable to offer a model at lower cost without the associated hardware.

> My understanding was that market research showed a lot of users were turning off the 3D stuff anyway

It was also because young children weren't supposed to use the 3D screen due to fears of it affecting vision development. You could always lock it out via parental controls on the original, but still that was cited as a reason for adding the 2DS to the lineup.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/28/nintendo-announces-2...

> Fils-Aime said. “And so with the Nintendo 3DS, we were clear to parents that, ‘hey, we recommend that your children be seven and older to utilize this device.’ So clearly that creates an opportunity for five-year-olds, six-year-olds, that first-time handheld gaming consumer."

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by bakugo »

canthonytucci wrote: post #45
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

I feel like my 3GS was way better about resuming where I left off than any fancy new iPhone I’ve had in the past few years. Big name apps like Facebook, YouTube, Apple Music, Apple Podcasts seem totally disinterred in preserving my place. YouTube being the worst where I often stack a bunch of videos in queue, pause to do something else for a while and when I return to the app the queue has been purged.

I feel like this might be intentional to a certain degree, at least on YouTube or Facebook.

If you switched off the app while looking at a certain post or watching a certain video, that's a negative engagement indicator, so the app wants to throw you back into the algorithmic feed to show you something new instead.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by bayarearefugee »

ErneX wrote: post #44
Animats wrote: post #5

The DRAM shortage and lack of fab capacity have also caused the Playstation 6 to slip to 2029 or so.[1] Game consoles are vulnerable. They need a lot of RAM and have to sell at a moderate price. The IDC article says that DRAM prices are not expected to come down again. "While memory prices are projected to stabilize by mid-2027, they are unlikely to return to previous level — making the sub-$100 segment (171 million…

We don’t know when the PS6 is going to be released, as of now that is just a rumor.

I'll bet you $5000 it doesn't release before 2029.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by walterbell »

vessenes wrote: post #55
walterbell wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upcoming Apple display mounted to wall or robot arm is rumored to have audio interface and new OS without 3rd-party apps, only "AI". Jony Ive at OpenAI is rumored to have smart speaker, pendant, pen and bone-conducting headset in the launch pipeline. Audio interfaces, no screens, Meta is selling millions of smart glasses, with Apple and others following. If the memory market was not distorted, home AI + agents + open…

I'd love a working bone conduction headset. Also a subvocalization to agent thingy that worked.

Apple recently spent $2B to bring subvocalization inference to iPhones, from the inventor of FaceID and Kinect, https://www.newsweek.com/apples-2b-ai-acquisition-could-have...

> users [could] interact with Siri and future Apple devices without speaking out loud.. AI systems capable of interpreting facial expressions and subtle muscle movements to understand so-called “silent speech.”

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