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Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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I wonder if we'll reach a breaking point with public forges, where they'll simply reject hosting a repo if it isn't from someone with a vetted background or if it detects hallmarks of LLM slop (e.g., many commits over a short period of time or other LLM tells).

GitHub recently added new repository settings to turn off pull requests or limit them to approved contributors. The announcement doesn't mention AI agents, but that's certain relevant. https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/187038

GH also needs to find a way to stop AI scraping of IP.

(Or not. It might be lucrative to host some novel algorithm on GH under a license permitting its use in generative LLM results, at a reasonable per-impression fee.)

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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OpenClaw Peter is using codex to analyze/de-duplicate PRs, extract good ideas from them and then re-implement them. > I spun up 50 codex in parallel, let them analyze the PR and generate a JSON report with various signals, comparing with vision, intent (much higher signal than any of the text), risk and various other signals. Then I can ingest all reports into one session and run AI queries/de-dupe/auto-close/merge a…

I know someone who started making a game by building his own engine. 5 years later he had made half an engine and zero games made on it.

Most of the people I know that are into herding AI spend most of their time doing that, but I can't say I've seen them accomplish much more than other colleagues, even the ones just using built-in AI or copy pasting code from an AI chat.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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OpenClaw Peter is using codex to analyze/de-duplicate PRs, extract good ideas from them and then re-implement them. > I spun up 50 codex in parallel, let them analyze the PR and generate a JSON report with various signals, comparing with vision, intent (much higher signal than any of the text), risk and various other signals. Then I can ingest all reports into one session and run AI queries/de-dupe/auto-close/merge a…

> Some people bitch, others are real engineers solving novel problems

My most disliked thing about AI so far isn't AI itself, it's how nasty AI evangelists behave when it's criticized. You don't have to attack and/or insult people, you could have just left out that last bit.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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You overestimate my ability to keep mental context for 6 months. And additionally, most of the PRs I have seen reviewed, the quality hasn't really degraded or improved since LLMs have started contributing. I think we have been rubber stamping PRs for quite sometime. Not sure that AI is doing any worse.

Depends on what the context is, at least for me.

The cognitive load on a code review tends to be higher when its submitted by someone who hasn't been onboarded well enough and it doesn't matter if they used an AI or not. A lot of the mistakes are trivial or they don't align with status quo so the code review turns into a way of explaining how things should be.

This is in contrast to reviewing the code of someone who has built up their own context (most likely on the back of those previous reviews, by learning). The feedback is much more constructive and gets into other details, because you can trust the author to understand what you're getting at and they're not just gonna copy/paste your reply into a prompt and be like "make this make sense."

It's just offloading the burden to me because I have the knowledge in my head. I know at least one or two people who will end up being forever-juniors because of this and they can't be talked out of it because their colleague is the LLM now.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Often I see youtube videos that sells an overwhelmingly negative take on AI, like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs or "AI is destroying the world" and other weirdly outlandish titles that is clearly aimed at clickbait. Watching these content I often get confused because it never seems to highlight the actual real world progress and use that LLMs in particular gets for coding. Much of what was "vibe coding" is becoming just…

> like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs

I'm always confused how this isn't ridiculously impressive, "After only 5 years, AI can succeeds at 7% of jobs."

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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That and it's also destroying the environment, trust, truth, creativity, people's ability to afford better computing equipment and so on.

I never quite understood why AI and LLMs are marketed the way they are, or why the powers that be behind its massive push seem so keen on selling it as a wholesale replacement for human careers (which given the current curve of improvements despite what the naysayers of human intellect might suggest, is unfeasible). Accountants didn't die off when calculators came on the scene. In no scenario is an LLM a drop-in repl…

> I never quite understood why AI and LLMs are marketed the way they are, or why the powers that be behind its massive push seem so keen on selling it as a wholesale replacement for human careers

> It really feels like all of these CEOs are just borderline running a cult at this point.

Because the people at the top of these companies have absolutely no idea about how the average human goes through life or what a normal human life even is. They don't know what having a job means, what a job is, what it means to be in charge of a family, to struggle for basic things, &c. Look at zuck presenting his ridiculous image gen ai [0], or their embarrassing "Uh HeLp Me MaKe A SaUcE FoR My KoReAn SaNdWiCh" [1], or his Wii tier metaverse that no one above the age of 13 found remotely interesting, this is what these people spent hundreds of billions on, that's what they dream about, that's the future they want even though 90% of the population does not give a single shit about it, And then you have altman and his very unsettling takes on all kind of topics like "ai will develop bioweapons in 2027 but ai is also the solution to this problem", "humans use too much energy" or "I cannot imagine having gone through figuring out how to raise a newborn without ChatGPT” no shit my dude, a gay man who never worked a day in his life, exit scammed his way to the top and who paid for someone to incubate their offspring have no clue about what evolution should have encoded in his DNA over 300m+ years? and we have to give him $7 trillion to speed run the next stage of evolution, lol, lmao even...

Ah, and they need to raise trillions of dollars, literally, that's why they keep mentioning outrageous (but very profitable) things like curing cancer, skynet, terraforming mars and solar powered satellites datacenters even though none of these things make any fucking sense. They need the next """hypergrowth""" vector, one more scam before we eventually reach the point of no return, it's all greed and FOMO as always. One day they shill self driving cars, the next bitcoin, the next AI, always full of "in two years it'll be amazing we promise, I can't explain how or why but give me a few trillions", meanwhile it's going downhill fast for everyone outside of these echo chambers

[0] https://youtu.be/TWpg1RmzAbc?t=570 [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4-9xz77tQnQ

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Often I see youtube videos that sells an overwhelmingly negative take on AI, like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs or "AI is destroying the world" and other weirdly outlandish titles that is clearly aimed at clickbait. Watching these content I often get confused because it never seems to highlight the actual real world progress and use that LLMs in particular gets for coding. Much of what was "vibe coding" is becoming just…

> like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs I'm always confused how this isn't ridiculously impressive, "After only 5 years, AI can succeeds at 7% of jobs."

Because you're hiding the vast majority of facts, like the fact that we already used every last drop of data available, the fact that they spent hundreds of billions on it and no one makes money besides the people selling them GPUs and memory chips, the fact that contrary to most tech these hings aren't getting cheaper to create, &c.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

#58

Often I see youtube videos that sells an overwhelmingly negative take on AI, like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs or "AI is destroying the world" and other weirdly outlandish titles that is clearly aimed at clickbait. Watching these content I often get confused because it never seems to highlight the actual real world progress and use that LLMs in particular gets for coding. Much of what was "vibe coding" is becoming just…

What kind of open source projects have you been working on? Why do you think most serious open source project reject AI PRs? Do you think you will spin up your own VLC, linux kernel or tensorflow in an afternoon and that you won't need "maintainers"? What about security? Accountability? Group work?

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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OpenClaw Peter is using codex to analyze/de-duplicate PRs, extract good ideas from them and then re-implement them. > I spun up 50 codex in parallel, let them analyze the PR and generate a JSON report with various signals, comparing with vision, intent (much higher signal than any of the text), risk and various other signals. Then I can ingest all reports into one session and run AI queries/de-dupe/auto-close/merge a…

> Some people bitch, others are real engineers solving novel problems My most disliked thing about AI so far isn't AI itself, it's how nasty AI evangelists behave when it's criticized. You don't have to attack and/or insult people, you could have just left out that last bit.

You are confusing trolling with not handling AI being criticized.

It's funny seeing programmers mind shut down when faced with an easy to fix problem - too many PRs, just because they hate AI.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs I'm always confused how this isn't ridiculously impressive, "After only 5 years, AI can succeeds at 7% of jobs."

Because you're hiding the vast majority of facts, like the fact that we already used every last drop of data available, the fact that they spent hundreds of billions on it and no one makes money besides the people selling them GPUs and memory chips, the fact that contrary to most tech these hings aren't getting cheaper to create, &c.

I suggest looking at some of the recent AI research, as it's not as dead of a field as you imply. Everyone understands that there's no more text and video/image data from the web. There's massive amounts of data outside of this, especially around the context of replacing jobs (think robots). With the last couple years, I don't see any reason to believe today's LLM architectures or training methods are the last to be developed. I think it's really crazy to imply that progress is somehow over.

I'm not sure how money spent is relevant. How many humans are left jobless in the next 20 years should be the concern. If it's 7% in only 5 years, with the very safe assumption that there will be progress, it's still not looking good.

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