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Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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> Sure, but so is basically everyone. Well, sure! The crucial difference between cartels and ISIS is that the cartels are in it to make money, ISIS is an ideologically motivated nation-building project. The cartels disappear when the activity becomes unprofitable, ISIS does not. The cartels tend to use violence when it's profitable, ISIS will use violence because they believe that an imaginary man wants them to do so…

> not forcing the cartels to retaliate. What do you mean forcing? They are organized crime, this is what they choose to do. The right thing for them to do is turn themselves in. How do you expect the cartel to subside and eventually dissolve? Policies that encourage them to play nicely?

>What do you mean forcing? They are organized crime, this is what they choose to do. The right thing for them to do is turn themselves in.

Self preservation. Turning themselves in would be antithetical to that. To expect anyone to sacrifice themselves would be absurd.

The only reason the government is only occasionally assassinating individual leaders instead of fighting open war against the cartels is that the cartels are willing and able to impose unacceptable costs in retaliation. It would be suicidal to not retaliate.

>How do you expect the cartel to subside and eventually dissolve? Policies that encourage them to play nicely?

Policies that eliminate their sources of revenue.

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's possible in Mexico. There's too much power in the logistical networks that move things into the US. The demand is too great. Even if you kill every drug trafficker and gang member alive today and create huge prosperity the void will be filled by someone and they will be adversarial to the government and they will have to use extra judicial violence to enforce their position. The cartel's presence…

Just purely as a hypothetical thought exercise I wonder how infiltrated the US gov is by cartels.

Not much if at all at the national level. US government is infiltrated by other harmful entities, drug trafficking can't compete with MIC, Big Oil, Sugar, Pharma, government contractors etc

Cartels are the largest non-state owned business operations in Mexico.

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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Puerto Vallarta is on fire - seeing tons of videos on my timeline.

How does this usually work - they just set some cars on fire to prove a point and demonstrate they are "doing something" and then just switch to the next boss that comes out of the secession fight ? Or is it more complicated or nuanced ?

Hi! I live in Guadalajara (City that was also on fire that day). They burn cars and big trucks to complicate the transit for the authorities and try to make more complicated to send reinforcements

At least that is what the people that is supposed to be more "informed" says

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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post #28

Puerto Vallarta is on fire - seeing tons of videos on my timeline.

How does this usually work - they just set some cars on fire to prove a point and demonstrate they are "doing something" and then just switch to the next boss that comes out of the secession fight ? Or is it more complicated or nuanced ?

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