Lets see how long it takes this time until someone shows up and calls the EU a nanny state.
I wish all states were as nanny as the EU. We would live in a way better world.
EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)
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Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)
#52Next EU could mandate an attitude adjustment to the industry wishing to sell their products in the European Common Market.
Batteries are part of a device.
There are other parts that can be replaced by the owner or third parties if there are sufficient parts supplies, either first-part or third-party, and these parts aren't explicitly killed by the device's DRM even if they're sourced outside of the manufacturer's own "replacement assemblies" that cost half the phone eventhough it's just a $10 part that needs replacing.
Further there is the software which is probably the most disposable of all. First of all, the keys to a device should come with the device. The device can default to booting software signed by the manufacturer but the user should always be able to use a physical key to unlock the device and install his own keys and certificates instead.
Further, manufacturers should be forced to either keep supporting the device's software or release all the necessary blobs and parts as legal abandonware so that others can hack and reverse-engineer it further, allowing legal reimplementation of the software in open source.
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Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)
#54I have been maintaining this chart of phones with replaceable batteries available in the USA for 10 years now: https://www.productchart.com/smartphones/removable_battery Man, is it empty these days. The chart used to be pretty full. Now it only has about 1% of all phones that are in the Product Chart database. As the other 99% have fixed batteries. I'm looking forward to see if the EU decision will push some companie…
The EU directive doesn't even compel them to have those kinds of removable batteries in the EU, because being removable with commercially available tools is considered compliant [0]. The topic has been too obfuscated with hype pieces. Still, it would be nice to not have to break glass and melt glue to open up phones. [0] https://repair.eu/news/making-batteries-removable-and-replac...
Yeah, thank god. As long as it’s easy to remove and replacement batteries can easily be purchased by individuals, I want my phone and battery glued, thank you very much.
I like apples approach to removable battery glue. Though it needs an extra tool. These days it should be easy to make a cheap USB-C PD powered thing that supplies a good DC voltage.
Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)
#55iPhone batteries are already replaceable, albeit most people have to pay Apple to do it. Does this count as replaceable under this mandate, or is there an expectation that batteries must be replaceable by end-consumers on their own? Any requirements for what level of skill and tooling end-consumers are expected to have access to, such as specialized screwdrivers and re-waterproofing adhesives?
cutting out quite a bit from section 11: A portable battery shall be ... removable by the end-user ... with the use of commercially available tools, without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless provided free of charge with the product, proprietary tools, thermal energy, or solvents to disassemble the product. Any ... person that [markets] products incorporating portable batteries shall ensure that those pro…
>Waterproof products
Suddenly, all phones will be waterproof.
Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)
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I hate that kind of thing though when it would come to smaller batteries. This battery passport prevents the user from replacing their car battery themselves easily. Which is entirely in contradiction to this legislation's objective for smaller devices which aims at making self-service easier. But it also links devices to their battery meaning one can not be recycled apart from the other! It's already causing problem…
An electric car battery can give 400-800 volt. Enough to kill or cause serious burn damage, unless the time of exposure is really short. Over 500 Volt is classified in medicine as high voltage accident. Carelessly manipulating this batteries at home is not a smart idea.
Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)
#57Lets see how long it takes this time until someone shows up and calls the EU a nanny state.
It's 5am in New York, not even the most dedicated anti EU Americans are up yet.
We need untravelled Americans with BMIs in the high 30s to log on to explain Europe to us. Until they've arrived, I don't know what to think.
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#60Next EU could mandate an attitude adjustment to the industry wishing to sell their products in the European Common Market. Batteries are part of a device. There are other parts that can be replaced by the owner or third parties if there are sufficient parts supplies, either first-part or third-party, and these parts aren't explicitly killed by the device's DRM even if they're sourced outside of the manufacturer's own…
> The device can default to booting software signed by the manufacturer but the user should always be able to use a physical key to unlock the device and install his own keys and certificates instead.
This part is not going to happen, because security services need their backdoors intact. If you supply user with keys, they might flash the device with more secure operating system rendering any surveillance effort fruitless.