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I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by dddw »

Daegalus wrote: post #19

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo, especially if you have a lot and buy in a package it is nearly costprice. Their DNS isn't great though, good enough for personal projects but not for business, would set that somewhere else.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by willy__ »

palata wrote: post #49

> Your users expect "Sign in with Google" and "Sign in with Apple." You can add email/password and passkeys, but removing social logins entirely is a conversion killer. I know this is true, but I genuinely don't understand it. I want email/password and passkey, I will always go out of my way to avoid "Sign in with ...". I just don't get why people love this.

People usually have either one or the other account already, because it came with their smartphone. It is friction less from their point of view.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by yoavm »

TrackerFF wrote: post #42

Here in Norway (and probably Sweden, too) BankID is a widely used authentication system, and most domestic services will use that as a auth / login. Only "drawback" is that it requires 2FA, which is quite trivial today. But there are still tons of users that want their "login with FB / Google / etc." . And a last but: If using such auth systems, one would have to account for all the different systems unique to countr…

Sounds like the EU Digital Identity Wallet project: https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/spaces/EU...

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

the_duke wrote: post #29
Daegalus wrote: post #19

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

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No. This is not true. Hetzner is fully owned by a German company.

https://www.northdata.de/Hetzner+Online+GmbH,+Gunzenhausen/A...

And it wasn't true in 2022.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33864111

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by willy__ »

lm28469 wrote: post #41
Tiberium wrote: post #39

Did you use a European LLM to write this article? Or was it an American one in the end? :) EDIT: Looks like it's an American one in the end, oh well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47085756

Slop text generation is equally good with chinese and european LLMs don't worry about that part

I still have GLM/Qwen or Deepseek sometimes randomly adding Chinese characters to things... :)

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by wvh »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #17

In conclusion from the `What you realistically can't avoid` section is that running entirely on non american services will never happen. Unless some entity pours hundreds of billions (trillions?) of euros into solving this over multiple decades there will be no way to replace google ads and sign in with google/apple. The AI part seems to be the easiest thing to solve in the list, that says something.

While it's true Europe might not be producing the next Apple or Google, there are lots of alternatives, like national academic login systems, logging into third parties with bank credentials or government IDs... Solutions that depend less on one commercial company capturing the market, that are in place on a national level and work well. It's a different landscape. Factors like current day political turmoil make people much less trusting of "American" solutions. It remains to be seen if this goes beyond sentiment into some actual pan-European solutions that (claim to) safeguard privacy and data.
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