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AI optimism is a class privilege

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Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

d_burfoot wrote: post #9

> they mimic and amplify the inherent racism present in their own training data LLMs turn out to be biased against white men: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/me7wFrkEtMbkzXGJt/race-and-g... > When present, the bias is always against white and male candidates across all tested models and scenarios. This happens even if we remove all text related to diversity.

These are because of post-training. You have to give it such directives in post-training to correct the biases they bring in from scraping the whole internet (and other datasets like books, etc.) for data

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Post by daveguy »

dogmayor wrote: post #47
d_burfoot wrote: post #9

> they mimic and amplify the inherent racism present in their own training data LLMs turn out to be biased against white men: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/me7wFrkEtMbkzXGJt/race-and-g... > When present, the bias is always against white and male candidates across all tested models and scenarios. This happens even if we remove all text related to diversity.

Important sentences immediately before the ones you quote. > For our evaluation, we inserted names to signal race / gender while keeping the resume unchanged. Interestingly, the LLMs were not biased in the original evaluation setting, but became biased (up to 12% differences in interview rates) when we added realistic details like company names (Meta, Palantir, General Motors), locations, or culture descriptions from…

Hah. Even LLMs know Meta and Palantir are evil af.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Post by robflynn »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #28
nomdep wrote: post #10

(I feel that I write a comment like this every few years) The author catalog of harms is real. But it's worth noting that nearly identical catalogs were compiled for every major technological shift in modern history. The Internet destroyed print journalism, local retail, and enabled cyberbullying and mass surveillance. If we applied the same framework used here, Internet optimism in 2005 was also a form of "class pri…

Everyone says this as if the previous cycles of labor displacement could not compound and this be the last straw. Same with how phones cause shorter attention span and less thought and more social isolation. People will say "oh they said the same thing about books and TV and video games" We could be at the end of the rope with how much we can displace unevenly and how much people will put up with another cycle of wea…

I am reminded of this, I feel like its kind of a similar phenomenon: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1m803ba/th...

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Post by NoOn3 »

WalterBright wrote: post #16
EA-3167 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a reason that the Musks and Thiels of the world invested in luxury doomsday bunkers, because it won’t just be property people want to burn.

The Soviets used the "iron broom" (i.e. murder) on the wealthy people. It didn't make anyone better off.

The Soviets history is not so simple. ;)

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Post by 113 »

d_burfoot wrote: post #9

> they mimic and amplify the inherent racism present in their own training data LLMs turn out to be biased against white men: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/me7wFrkEtMbkzXGJt/race-and-g... > When present, the bias is always against white and male candidates across all tested models and scenarios. This happens even if we remove all text related to diversity.

That's not a reliable source.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

antonvs wrote: post #22
nomdep wrote: post #10

(I feel that I write a comment like this every few years) The author catalog of harms is real. But it's worth noting that nearly identical catalogs were compiled for every major technological shift in modern history. The Internet destroyed print journalism, local retail, and enabled cyberbullying and mass surveillance. If we applied the same framework used here, Internet optimism in 2005 was also a form of "class pri…

The assumption in your comment is that those changes were all net good. In hindsight though, the automobile has had possibly existential costs for humanity, the internet has provided most benefit to those who most abuse its power, and so on. In the end, it doesn’t seem as though you’ve actually made any sort of case.

Seriously, these types of comments are always really narrow in their view.

Industrialization has rapidly accelerated planet wide climate change that will have disastrous effects in many of our lifetimes. A true runaway condition will really test the merit of those billionaire bunkers.

All for what? a couple hundred years of "advancement"? A blink in the lifespan of humanity, but dooms everyone to a hyper-competitive death drive towards an unlivable world.

As a society, our understanding of "normal" has narrowed down to the last 80 years of civilization. A normal focused around consumption, which stands to take it all away just as fast.

The techno-optimists never seriously propose any meaningful solution to millions losing their livelyhoods and dignity so Sam Altman can add an extension to his doomsday bunker. They just go along with it as if they'll be invited down to weather the wet-bulb temperature.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Post by plagiarist »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #28
nomdep wrote: post #10

(I feel that I write a comment like this every few years) The author catalog of harms is real. But it's worth noting that nearly identical catalogs were compiled for every major technological shift in modern history. The Internet destroyed print journalism, local retail, and enabled cyberbullying and mass surveillance. If we applied the same framework used here, Internet optimism in 2005 was also a form of "class pri…

Everyone says this as if the previous cycles of labor displacement could not compound and this be the last straw. Same with how phones cause shorter attention span and less thought and more social isolation. People will say "oh they said the same thing about books and TV and video games" We could be at the end of the rope with how much we can displace unevenly and how much people will put up with another cycle of wea…

I think they are compounding. Prior to the internet we had more third spaces, less attention economy, fewer self-esteem problems comparing our lives against influencers', warehouse and delivery jobs without pissing in a bottle to stay employed, people were employed instead of doing gigs. We used to have privacy somewhat, that's gone.

It's been this overpowered tool for the wealthy to gather more wealth by erasing jobs and the data brokers to perform intense surveillance.

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