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Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by Cyph0n »

yndoendo wrote: post #45
baby_souffle wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yep. Anyone got alternatives? The self-hosted and home-automation and home-assistant subreddits are _full_ of discussion threads on this. The good news is that you have a TON of options to pick from. The bad news is that they're all deficient in one way or another so you really do have to spend a bit of time to figure out who executes best on the things you care most about. If you don't mind the lock-in, Unifi is n…

Are there any such systems for general users that don't want to manage or maintain such systems? Alternatives really need to be for the masses that have little Knowles in server hosting. This is one reason I invest in Linux Smartphone company's that are work towards a clean solution for the masses. Daily drivers that are satisfactory for us build the stepping stones to walk to the alternative.

Home Assistant has the plug and play Green box: https://www.home-assistant.io/green/

Hubitat is a different player in this space: https://hubitat.com/

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by wat10000 »

LazyMans wrote: post #40
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Anyone got alternatives? I love the convenience of a video doorbell but I really really would like to not help the police or ICE or anyone else for that matter unless I decide it's a good idea.

None of these agencies get your video data without your consent. The feature was designed so they have an easy way to present you the request for footage. Unfortunately a portion of the information getting circulated is the complete opposite.

I'm certain they get your video data without your consent when the agencies have a warrant. I think it's very likely that they won't necessarily require a warrant, either.

Consider the Nancy Guthrie case. The owner wasn't around to give consent, and the camera didn't even have an active subscription, yet law enforcement was still able to recover video from Google's systems.

The only way it could be as you say is if the video was only stored locally without any remote access, or if the video was encrypted with keys only you control. Google clearly is not doing this. I really, really doubt Amazon is.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by nerdsniper »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #16
murillians wrote: post #8

Meaning they’ll wait until about June and then quietly roll it out

Yep. Anyone got alternatives? I love the convenience of a video doorbell but I really really would like to not help the police or ICE or anyone else for that matter unless I decide it's a good idea.

Reolink with Frigate NVR. Can also put Home Assistant on the same box. Pretty much any 12+ gen intel CPU with QSV should be able to handle the encoding for streaming to your device. Probably will want to use tailscale so that you don’t have to open any ports.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by mrcwinn »

An aside: The Verge’s paywall is ridiculous, especially given that they still live off slimy affiliate revenue and ads that run directly counter to their own editorializing. Their smugness and superiority given their business model makes me wish we had better alternatives.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by drnick1 »

LazyMans wrote: post #40
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Anyone got alternatives? I love the convenience of a video doorbell but I really really would like to not help the police or ICE or anyone else for that matter unless I decide it's a good idea.

None of these agencies get your video data without your consent. The feature was designed so they have an easy way to present you the request for footage. Unfortunately a portion of the information getting circulated is the complete opposite.

> None of these agencies get your video data without your consent.

You certainly can't be sure of that. In fact, it is almost certain that these companies provide the data they collect to the police and government agencies data, often without warrant.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by roamerz »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #16
murillians wrote: post #8

Meaning they’ll wait until about June and then quietly roll it out

Yep. Anyone got alternatives? I love the convenience of a video doorbell but I really really would like to not help the police or ICE or anyone else for that matter unless I decide it's a good idea.

I’ve been pretty happy with Reolink. No subscription required and uses local storage. Notifications are done through smtp which works pretty well. Mobile app is pretty solid as well.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by dyauspitr »

baby_souffle wrote: post #38
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Anyone got alternatives? I love the convenience of a video doorbell but I really really would like to not help the police or ICE or anyone else for that matter unless I decide it's a good idea.

> Yep. Anyone got alternatives? The self-hosted and home-automation and home-assistant subreddits are _full_ of discussion threads on this. The good news is that you have a TON of options to pick from. The bad news is that they're all deficient in one way or another so you really do have to spend a bit of time to figure out who executes best on the things you care most about. If you don't mind the lock-in, Unifi is n…

Any non-Chinese, plug and play systems? Does simplisafe offer on premise video surveillance?

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by trinsic2 »

dylan604 wrote: post #35
dgxyz wrote: post #6

This is a temporary rollback while there’s a choice to speak against it. Cloud connected doorbells must die as well as dragnet surveillance.

> Cloud connected doorbells must die as well as dragnet surveillance. I'd disagree and restate that cloud services willing to make these kinds of deals must die, painfully, in a fire after being stung by a million killer bees, after receiving a million paper cuts and having lemon juice poured all over them. It is possible for a company to charge a monthly fee to provide a service and only that service without attempt…

The problem now is how can you trust any of these companies? The infrastructure is there to link this data if you have cameras that connect to the internet. How can you ever be sure this wont happen in secret? We have no guarantees that companies will follow the laws and laws are not even being enforced.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by andrei_says_ »

murillians wrote: post #8

Meaning they’ll wait until about June and then quietly roll it out

No one being surprised at this statement is an indication of how much enshittification and betrayal we have agreed to accept.

I’d like to acknowledge the damage I carry as a human being as a result of the pressure to pretend that this is normal. Just because there doesn’t seem to be real alternatives in so many areas of this “free market” /s economy.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by SoftTalker »

LazyMans wrote: post #40
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Anyone got alternatives? I love the convenience of a video doorbell but I really really would like to not help the police or ICE or anyone else for that matter unless I decide it's a good idea.

None of these agencies get your video data without your consent. The feature was designed so they have an easy way to present you the request for footage. Unfortunately a portion of the information getting circulated is the complete opposite.

If you don't own the entire stack you don't decide who does what with the data.
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