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Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

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Post by croes »

OJFord wrote: post #33
timr wrote: post #4

LLMs are the eternal September for software, in that the sort of people who couldn’t make it through a bootcamp can now be “programming thought leaders”. There’s no longer a reliable way to filter signal from noise. Those 3000 early adopters who are bookmarking a trivial markdown file largely overlap with the sort of people who breathlessly announce that “the last six months of model development have changed everythi…

Is Andrej Karpathy the guy who 'couldn't make it through a [coding] bootcamp' in this description?

Andrej Karpathy named the pitfalls and did't make the markup file

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

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Post by croes »

sph wrote: post #24
timr wrote: post #4

LLMs are the eternal September for software, in that the sort of people who couldn’t make it through a bootcamp can now be “programming thought leaders”. There’s no longer a reliable way to filter signal from noise. Those 3000 early adopters who are bookmarking a trivial markdown file largely overlap with the sort of people who breathlessly announce that “the last six months of model development have changed everythi…

> LLMs are the eternal September for software, in that the sort of people who couldn’t make it through a bootcamp can now be “programming thought leaders” The democratization of programming (derogatory)

Free compilers were the democratization of programming.

This is the banalization of software creation by removing knowledge as a requirement. That's not a good thing.

You wouldn't call the removal of a car's brakes the democratization of speed, would you?

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

#53

Post by croes »

squidbeak wrote: post #45
timr wrote: post #4

LLMs are the eternal September for software, in that the sort of people who couldn’t make it through a bootcamp can now be “programming thought leaders”. There’s no longer a reliable way to filter signal from noise. Those 3000 early adopters who are bookmarking a trivial markdown file largely overlap with the sort of people who breathlessly announce that “the last six months of model development have changed everythi…

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>> LLMs are the eternal September for software

>Cliche.

Too early to tell, so let's wait and see before we brush that off.

>> in that the sort of people who couldn’t make it through a bootcamp can now be “programming thought leaders”

>Snobbery.

Reality and actually a selling point of AI tools. I see pretty often ads for making apps without any knowledge of programming

>> the sort of people who breathlessly announce

> Snobbery / Cliche.

Reality

>> There’s no longer a reliable way to filter signal from noise.

> Cliche.

Reality, or do you destinguish a well programmed app from unaudited BS

>> There’s utility in these tools, but 99% of the content creators in AI are one intellectual step above banging rocks together

>Cliche / Snobbery.

99% is to high, maybe 50%

>> their judgement of progress is not to be trusted

> Tell me, timr, how much judgement is there is in snotty gatekeeping and strings of cliches?

We have many security issues in software coded by people who have experience in coding, how much do you trust software ordered by people who can't jusge if the program they get is secure or full of security flaws? Don't forget these LLMs are trained on pre existing faulty code.

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

#55

Post by OJFord »

croes wrote: post #51
OJFord wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Andrej Karpathy the guy who 'couldn't make it through a [coding] bootcamp' in this description?

Andrej Karpathy named the pitfalls and did't make the markup file

Ugh right sorry, 'inspired'.

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

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Post by ciconia »

The document under discussion:

https://github.com/forrestchang/andrej-karpathy-skills/blob/...

I find the whole premise of writing some vague instructions, feeding them to a stochastic parrot and expecting a solid engineering process to materialize out of the blue quite ridiculous.

Any sufficiently advanced "AI" technology is indistinguishable from bullshit.

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

#57

Post by joenot443 »

onion2k wrote: post #13

surely, 4,000 developers can’t be wrong Apparently almost half of all the websites on the internet run on WordPress, so it's entirely possible for developers to be wrong at scale.

I've got a few clients using a Wordpress setup. They like being able to edit their own blogs, add new job listings, and rearrange the leadership page when people are promoted. All of that can happen without bugging the developer (me) and all the changes are fully auditable and reversible.

What FOSS solution would you recommend instead?

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

#58

Post by mentalgear »

dgxyz wrote: post #50
timr wrote: post #4

LLMs are the eternal September for software, in that the sort of people who couldn’t make it through a bootcamp can now be “programming thought leaders”. There’s no longer a reliable way to filter signal from noise. Those 3000 early adopters who are bookmarking a trivial markdown file largely overlap with the sort of people who breathlessly announce that “the last six months of model development have changed everythi…

I agree. I'm sure i'll piss off a lot of people with this one but I don't care any more. I'm calling it what it is. LLMs empower those without the domain knowledge or experience to identify if the output actually solves the problem. I have seen multiple colleagues deliver a lot of stuff that looks fancy but doesn't actually solve the prescribed problem at all. It's mostly just furniture around the problem. And the re…

> stuff that looks fancy but doesn't actually solve the prescribed problem at all."

Exactly - we are in the age of "AI-posers".

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

#59

Post by lasre »

joenot443 wrote: post #57
onion2k wrote: post #13

surely, 4,000 developers can’t be wrong Apparently almost half of all the websites on the internet run on WordPress, so it's entirely possible for developers to be wrong at scale.

I've got a few clients using a Wordpress setup. They like being able to edit their own blogs, add new job listings, and rearrange the leadership page when people are promoted. All of that can happen without bugging the developer (me) and all the changes are fully auditable and reversible. What FOSS solution would you recommend instead?

PayloadCMS is FOSS (until Figma changes their mind), but doesn’t have the huge amount of plugins / extensions / themes wordpress does.

I think there’s another FOSS project, but there really isn’t anything with the same breadth as Wordpress.

Re: 65 Lines of Markdown, a Claude Code Sensation

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Post by shakna »

joenot443 wrote: post #57
onion2k wrote: post #13

surely, 4,000 developers can’t be wrong Apparently almost half of all the websites on the internet run on WordPress, so it's entirely possible for developers to be wrong at scale.

I've got a few clients using a Wordpress setup. They like being able to edit their own blogs, add new job listings, and rearrange the leadership page when people are promoted. All of that can happen without bugging the developer (me) and all the changes are fully auditable and reversible. What FOSS solution would you recommend instead?

Grist. Let them sink happily into spreadsheets powering everything.

https://github.com/gristlabs/grist-core

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