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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by nradov »

fluidcruft wrote: post #39
freetime2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I'm in no rush to have self-driving capabilities in my car for at least another decade or so. I'm pretty happy with the current ADAS systems found in most cars like adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, and collision avoidance - and happy to just see incremental refinements to those systems. At some point I want a self-driving car, but I'm happy to let Waymo and Tesla users test those systems for another…

The main thing I think about self-driving is if it truly were self-driving and you could sleep in the car while it drives to a destination overnight. Even if it were only highways. That would be really cool.

I can't sleep in a moving car anyway so that's of no value to me. If I'm going to be awake anyway then I might as well drive.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by mrpippy »

pyrolistical wrote: post #21
joshstrange wrote: post #13

No CarPlay, not interested. I wish Rivian would stop trying to emulate Tesla on this front and add support for CarPlay. I don't want your UI. I actually like the look of the Rivian and this is something I'm somewhat in the market for (or will be in the next few years) but I won't touch it without CarPlay.

CarPlay needs to get battery level

CarPlay supports that, the car just needs to pass it through. I believe Ford and Toyota both do.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by clipsy »

DennisP wrote: post #42
clipsy wrote: post #17

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> It's deceptively styled to look a big boy car, but it's a matchbox. That's why no reviewers will show themselves or anyone else towering over it. It's for those who want a big car, but without all that space. I miss the days when men looking to compensate would buy sports cars. It wasn't any less ridiculous, but at least they (edit: the cars) were better looking and more fun to drive.

If only those ridiculous guys who wanted something fun to drive had realized how much more fun they could have by making fun of people and feeling superior.

Yikes, someone's a bit oversensitive

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by cebert »

hn_acc1 wrote: post #5

Can they fix that web page? That was so awful to try to get any info.. Just scroll, scroll, scroll and still just a bunch of big pictures and no meaningful info.

The scrolling was so bad I had to close the page when I was actually interested.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by nradov »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #46
freetime2 wrote: post #43

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I just bought a new car, and will probably buy another 1-2 cars in the next 10 years. My ideal upgrade path for cars is: * I wanted my most recent purchase to be a PHEV * I want my next purchase in roughly 5 years to be an EV (hopefully solid state batteries are available by then) * In about 10 years I am hoping that I can buy a car that can self-drive most of my trips door-to-door One thing I'll add is that I live i…

> I live in an area that gets a ton of snow, and current ADAS features are basically worthless in snow I live in Western Wyoming. While my Subaru won't drive itself in a blizzard, the radar is still useful. My plan is to wait until I have something that can drive itself unsupervised in clear weather. Given that's Waymo today and maybe Tesla in ~5 years, I'm figuring something should be on the market that fits that bi…

What radar? I'm pretty sure that Subaru uses only cameras, no radar.

https://www.subaru.com/eyesight.html

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by seemaze »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #27
iambateman wrote: post #8

The R2 was the first time I seriously thought about spending up on a vehicle. It looks good. But $45k++ is just wild to me. It seems like the market is undervaluing used EV’s, so hopefully the depreciation curve will bring these down to $30k in a couple years for us old-school folks who prefer not to have a $1000/mo car loan.

Average price of a new vehicle in the US is $50,000. This is priced appropriately considering total cost of ownership delta against a combustion vehicle. Rivian needs more volume for prices to decline from manufacturing efficiency at scale. https://www.axios.com/2024/12/19/cars-prices-inflation-suvs

A cursory search of the web shows that TCO for EVs in the US is higher than ICE for all but high mileage commuters. Wish it wasn't the case, but insurance alone is a 30% premium.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by paradox460 »

bee_rider wrote: post #28
para_parolu wrote: post #11

I really reality wish rivian create a better self-driving technology soon and make a proper competition to tesla. Rivian cars are so nice and well designed.

Self-driving seems like something where car companies shouldn’t all “reinvent the wheel.” A couple of the bigger car companies have projects on this, right? Maybe they could share.

It will probably follow the same pattern as ADAS. Bosch or someone will develop a package, sell it to car manufacturers, and it will become widespread

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by Lammy »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48
Someone1234 wrote: post #41

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People keep repeating this uncritically. There is a car-debt crisis, and wages haven't kept up with house/car costs. We have one person saying "well in Californian wages..." and another saying essentially that 50K isn't a lot of money when the average SALARY is $66K/year.

> There is a car-debt crisis To what degree is this caused by car prices versus Americans' compulsion to keep buying new cars? Anecdotally, the folks I know struggling with car payments are almost exclusively in the latter bucket. But I'm open to having my mind changed with data.

If people didn't buy new cars there would never be used cars.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by freetime2 »

Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior.

But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000 price they are throwing around could very well be for a trim that isn't even available at launch.

And anyway if I were going to buy a new compact crossover today, I'd probably lean more toward the RAV4 PHEV. It's an EV most of the time, I can refill it up with gas during long trips, it's got tactile buttons, and it has carplay.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfReqcUJfBU

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