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"Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by Legend2440 »

autoexec wrote: post #42
Aurornis wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This person wasn’t anonymous to TikTok. They were doing this for payments. TikTok had their information! Voluntarily, too. Forcing everyone to ID themselves to companies would not have changed anything about this story > In a fantasy world where I were king, the person who ran this tiktok would be in jail. Now take this thought one step further and imagine if the king was someone you disagreed with, putting people in…

> imagine if the king was someone you disagreed with, putting people in jail for posting things they didn’t like. Which is why if we passed laws against this kind of thing they shouldn't make posting what the king doesn't like illegal. They should explicitly make it illegal to post disinformation harmful to others. It should work similarly to defamation laws where it makes no difference if you publish something someo…

This is a very slippery slope. Who gets to be the arbiter of truth? What if you think something is false, and then it later turns out to be true or at least undetermined?

What if you create all this infrastructure for regulating speech, and then the political winds shift and a strongman president ends up using it to suppress speech they don't like?

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Post by iamwil »

barbazoo wrote: post #44
SimianSci wrote: post #28

Seems to be an extension of something we are dealing with across multiple parts of many societies. Monetary pursuit has become a guiding principle for alot of people, and its been revealed that such thinking is leading to major societal consequences. The current Technocratic idealization of efficiency by those in powerful positions is missing the second order consequences of financializing everything, and it appears…

> Monetary pursuit has become a guiding principle for alot of people People need money to survive. The wealthy class have made it such that it's harder and harder to earn enough money the normal way. Often it doesn't even pay enough to survive. This is what creative people come up with in order to make a living. And it's obviously not in the wealthy class' interest to make any changes to that.

Doesn't make it excusable. I get it's hard to uphold principles when the stomach is empty. But it's clear the person in the piece wasn't thinking about much else, though he was also clearly not in the streets and starving.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by lordnacho »

There's a huge problem with the media landscape. It's similar to the junk-food problem, or gambling, or addiction to drugs.

We've made a society where "number goes up" is the only measure of success. We don't care whether what makes the number go up is good, and that leads to exploiting the irrationality of consumers.

People know they aren't supposed to eat chips all day. They know they aren't likely to win their bet. They know it's not a good idea to watch the most exciting news.

But they can't help themselves, so they get exploited, and the exploiters are wealthy enough to write it into law that they aren't responsible.

Point this out, and inevitably someone says "who are you to decide what's good for other people", and yes, I used to think this way. Well, one thing is that I'm straight up taking it from the people who are being used. Who wants to be fat? Virtually everyone is eating more than they should. Are we supposed to think this is the revealed, rational preference of everyone? The other thing that changed is that I'm a parent. I have to make choices for my kids, and doing that makes me recognize that people their age aren't the only children. Paternalistic much? Sure. Eat your vegetables!

Who wants to be uninformed? Yet we are. People can just look up the crime statistics in London and see which way it has been going the past couple of decades.

I don't have a solution, I'm afraid, just a diagnosis. We're living in a society that is being abused under the pretense of personal freedom.

Someone better read than me has probably written an essay or two about this, please link. I don't know the best keywords for such a search.

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Post by DonHopkins »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #25
mhh__ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it's possible but I think the more basic answer is that there's been a huge influx of Indians into the west recently i.e. find an example historically where people don't end up fighting in such situations.

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Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by rwmj »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #11

It's a genuinely surprising feeling to live in a place, but see an absolute torrent of malevolent misinformation about it. The "London has fallen" trope that has been prevalent on social media recently stank of some kind of deliberate manipulation. But increasingly—in part due to stories like this—I wonder if it is actually just all "for the views".

Also the US politicians suffering from Khan Derangement Syndrome. He really is one of the most anodyne politicians around, obviously no one is genuinely upset about him.

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Post by legitster »

SimianSci wrote: post #28

Seems to be an extension of something we are dealing with across multiple parts of many societies. Monetary pursuit has become a guiding principle for alot of people, and its been revealed that such thinking is leading to major societal consequences. The current Technocratic idealization of efficiency by those in powerful positions is missing the second order consequences of financializing everything, and it appears…

Culture is a pendulum, but humans are consistently greedy.

"Journalistic integrity" was a marketing concept designed to sell newspapers at a time when there were hundreds and most were inaccurate. It was extremely profitable to have ethics. (A good reminder that noble minded Benjamin Franklin ran his own periodical that he regularly and intentionally slandered others in.)

Now we have an entrenched media (with their own ethics problems) and there is opportunity to start pumping out garbage again.

As Voltaire said, "History is only the pattern of silken slippers descending the stairs to the thunder of hobnailed boots climbing upward from below." In other words, progress has to be fought for from hard lessons, but once that progress is taken for granted, people let it slip not knowing the value of what they have.

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Post by WillMorr »

It's fascinating how he has fully outsourced his conscience to the TikTok content guidelines. With all of the discussion about what restrictions should exist on platforms it never ever occurred to me that people would start to view them as moral authorities.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by encom »

unethical_ban wrote: post #4

In one thread I am defending anonymity online from government mandated ID laws. Then I think to the persistent, malevolent, destructive lies that people spread with complete impunity and with faked video and photo evidence. This is not what the first amendment was designed to protect. Wary of making government the arbiter of truth, I don't know what society should do to combat this evil. In a fantasy world where I we…

>faked video and photo evidence

Yea, I've also watched mainstream news. Remember that time ABC showed "war footage" that turned out to be footage from some Kentucky gun range?

>combat this evil

Teach media literacy. I know this is utopian even as I say it, because you can't even teach people to close the door behind them, but I sure as hell don't want the government or anyone else to tell me what I'm allowed to read. That right is worth any cost. Any.

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