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Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by goatlover »

rootusrootus wrote: post #33
jerlam wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Irish man would probably prefer to be removed from the property (country), instead of being indefinitely detained waiting for a trial whose outcome is already known. The 6th Amendment of the US contains a right to a speedy trial. Otherwise, every arrest can become a life sentence if no trial is ever held.

The article says he refused to sign the deportation paperwork, does that not mean that his continued detention is a choice under his control? He could agree to return to Ireland and they would put him on a plane.

He probably wants to remain with his wife and home, just like Abrego Garcia did, who currently has been returned to his Maryland home and family, despite what the DOJ said would never happen.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by throwway120385 »

ghouse wrote: post #27
rayiner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to a speedy, public trial in criminal prosecutions, protecting defendants from excessive, prejudicial delays between indictment or arrest and trial.

There's also a line in the Constitution about "cruel and unusual punishment" which this would surely fit.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by alsetmusic »

rayiner wrote: post #9
josefritzishere wrote: post #6

Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose other purpose could this possibly serve?

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Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by rayiner »

goatlover wrote: post #26
rayiner wrote: post #9

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Australia's mandatory detention is controversial. I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. I don't see what harm an undocumented person causes by simply being in the country. Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Moving people around detention centers to hide them from lawyers and families, while too often i…

> I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases.

Because it turns the immigration system on its head. People come to the U.S., stay for years while court proceedings drag on, and in most cases the government eventually gives up. The U.S. issues 65,000 or so skilled worker visas annually, but over a million people enter illegally. At that point, why even bother having an immigration system?

> Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family.

Do you think keeping out criminals is why we have an immigration system?

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by rayiner »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #42
rootusrootus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says he refused to sign the deportation paperwork, does that not mean that his continued detention is a choice under his control? He could agree to return to Ireland and they would put him on a plane.

Before we even get into the complete lack of morality in forcefully separating a married couple, removing him from his home and his business; you might want to check what happens to people who do agree to be deported. Plenty of examples where this has not at all been as painless as you are implying.

So getting married should be a loophole in the immigration law?

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by nyeah »

ktm5j wrote: post #31
ghouse wrote: post #8

Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

Actually, thanks to the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 that's not exactly true anymore. You can be detained and deported without first seeing a judge.

(1) "Judge" is not necessarily identical with "due process." (2) Congress can't override constitutional protections by passing new laws. That would require a constitutional amendment.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #33
jerlam wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Irish man would probably prefer to be removed from the property (country), instead of being indefinitely detained waiting for a trial whose outcome is already known. The 6th Amendment of the US contains a right to a speedy trial. Otherwise, every arrest can become a life sentence if no trial is ever held.

The article says he refused to sign the deportation paperwork, does that not mean that his continued detention is a choice under his control? He could agree to return to Ireland and they would put him on a plane.

There's a follow-up story from The Guardian that seems to have details relevant to this line of questioning: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-se...

First of all, back in November, a judge approved his release on bond, which he paid, but the government ignored that order and continued to detain him.

After his detention, he was asked to sign paperwork opting for voluntary deportation; he refused, but then the government proceeded to claim in court that he had signed documents to that effect, which he and his lawyer insist must be falsified or otherwise in error. However a judge allowed them to stand, which removes his ability to appeal. Now, either because the government is inept or malicious, he seems to be stuck in a legal limbo unless his lawyer can challenge the government's documentation or force an analysis of those forms.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by danudey »

rootusrootus wrote: post #20
coffeebeqn wrote: post #16

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Where did it say he arrived illegally? Sounds like he’s awaiting Adjustment of Status based on family ties from getting married but doesn’t say what his status was before

I agree that it doesn't say that in the article, but on the other hand, he admits having been here for 20 years. That definitely implies that he is here illegally and knew it. He likely would get denied a green card as a result of that choice. As much as I loathe everything about how ICE is conducting their activities these days, this case does not seem like a good candidate for sympathy, it does not look like injust…

It doesn't look like injustice that he's been locked up in squalid conditions for five months with no trial or process? How long is he going to be there? Is he going to face a trial or tribunal? Is he getting deported?

If you think he should be free to stay in the US, fine; if you think he deserves to be deported, fine; what he doesn't deserve is to be corralled indefinitely in filthy conditions just because they need to meet their quotas.

If you don't think that's injustice then there's something wrong with your sense of morality.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by blell »

alsetmusic wrote: post #53
rayiner wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.

Immigrants are a problem created by wealthy people with the intention of dumping the cost of labour.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by rayiner »

drecked wrote: post #41
rayiner wrote: post #10

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Do they also lock you up on the property for 5 months while they figure out how to remove you from the property? People’s inability to comprehend the need for basic legal rights like Habeas Corpus is incredible. We literally have leaders who don’t know what that means and when challenged on it, don’t even bother to look it up and remain uninformed when asked months later. And fools defend them.

This guy admits he entered under the Visa Waiver Program in 2009, then remained in the country illegally: https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton... ("Culleton concedes he is removable under the VWP. Reply 10.").

If he wants to go home, he can just go home under the DOJ's Voluntary Departure Program: https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1480811/dl

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