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Sleeper Shells: Attackers Are Planting Dormant Backdoors in Ivanti EPMM

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Re: Sleeper Shells: Attackers Are Planting Dormant Backdoors in Ivanti EPMM

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Every single Ivanti product (including their SSL-VPN) should be considered a critical threat. The fact that this company is allowed to continue to sell their malware dressed-up as "security solutions" is a disaster. How they haven't been sued into bankruptcy is something I'll never understand.

That sounds scarily like you're describing FaultyGate. Is there any company in this space that doesn't sell crap products?

Re: Sleeper Shells: Attackers Are Planting Dormant Backdoors in Ivanti EPMM

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Every single Ivanti product (including their SSL-VPN) should be considered a critical threat. The fact that this company is allowed to continue to sell their malware dressed-up as "security solutions" is a disaster. How they haven't been sued into bankruptcy is something I'll never understand.

The purpose of cybersecurity products and companies is not to sell security . It's to sell the illusion of security to (often incompetent) execs - which is perfectly fine because the market doesn't actually punish security breaches so an illusion is all that's needed. It is an insanely lucrative industry selling luxury-grade snake oil. Actual cybersecurity isn't something you can just buy off-the-shelf and requires s…

So true. Can't wait for NIS2 to be implemented in my location (EU); the new directive allows authorities to hold board members and CEOs personally responsible for cybersec fails (although only as a last resort, after trying other means).

Re: Sleeper Shells: Attackers Are Planting Dormant Backdoors in Ivanti EPMM

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Actually there is a significant push to more effective products coming from the reinsurance companies that underwrite cyber risks. Most of them come with a checklist of things you need to have before they sign you at any reasonable price. The more we get government regulation for fines in cases of breaches etc. the more this trend will accelerate.

The thing is that real security isn't something that a checklist can guarantee. You have to build it into the product architecture and mindset of every engineer that works on the project. At every single stage, you have to be thinking "How do I minimize this attack surface? What inputs might come in that I don't expect? What are the ways that this code might be exploited that I haven't thought about? What privileges…

> The thing is that real security isn't something that a checklist can guarantee.

I've taken this even further. You cannot do security with a checklist. Trying to do so will inevitably lead to bad outcomes.

Couple of years back I finally figured out how to dress this in a suitably snarky soundbite: doing security with a spreadsheet is like trying to estimate the health of a leper colony by their number of remaining limbs.

Re: Sleeper Shells: Attackers Are Planting Dormant Backdoors in Ivanti EPMM

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Holy those checklists are the bane of my existence. For example demanding 2FA for email, which is impossible if you self host, unless you force everyone to use RoundCube, but then you have to answer to the CEO why he can’t get email on his iPhone in the mail app. Or just loads of other stuff that really only applies to large Fortune 500 size companies. My small startups certainly don’t have a network engineer on staf…

Why is 2FA impossible if you self host?

IMAP is ancient and in its own does not support 2FA. You could do it with webmail clients but you can’t do it with plain ol’ IMAP. I have seen some attempts at it where the password is concatenated with the TOTP, but the nature of mail clients frequent polling means users would be constantly hammers with requests to reauthenticate. There is an RFC for OAUTH2 BEARER support and there are even some servers which support it (eg Stalwart IIRC) however there are literally zero clients which support it (AFAIK). And you especially can’t use any of the main top 10 email clients that most people use, there may be some small obscure mail client that supports it, but even Thunderbird lacks support.
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