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Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#51
You and your coauthor need to write up a detailed account of your “Metatron model”. This paper, if it were to count as research, should be how other phenomena can be simulated by choices of parameters for your model.

Otherwise, you’ve just described yet another synthetic model that exhibits criticality (without proof no less). Which is not particularly interesting, unless your model subsumes other phenomena.

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#52
Can you in plain English explain exactly what unifies these discoveries? I have a hard time seeing what unifies traffic congestion with eigenvalue analysis of ESNs. While many systems contain thresholds, a traffic jam is not chaotic in the same way that an epileptic seizure is.

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#53

I wish authors would use their own voice instead of an LLM, especially in a rhetorical piece. I like the history of science, and might have otherwise read the authors' paper, but the use of LLM-isms throughout this page makes me worry that the arxiv submission will show the same lack of care/effort. Here's the manuscript at any rate, somewhat hard to find on the webpage: Convergent Discovery of Critical Phenomena Mat…

Fair call on the website — we built it fast and it shows. The paper itself is a traditional literature review and citation analysis. I am one of two human authors. We use standard methodology. Didier Sornette endorsed it for arXiv. Thanks for pulling out the direct link. I'll change the site to make it more prominent. This is my first serious attempt at social media engagement. Thanks for pointing out flaws and where…

"Fair call on the website — we built it fast and it shows." Oh, man, get out.

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#55
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair call on the website — we built it fast and it shows. The paper itself is a traditional literature review and citation analysis. I am one of two human authors. We use standard methodology. Didier Sornette endorsed it for arXiv. Thanks for pulling out the direct link. I'll change the site to make it more prominent. This is my first serious attempt at social media engagement. Thanks for pointing out flaws and where…

"Fair call on the website — we built it fast and it shows." Oh, man, get out.

s/man/robot

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#56

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You're raising the right question, and the paper addresses it directly. The transfer wasn't as clean as "physicists applied their tools to other fields." Some specific cases: Wissel (1984) derived critical slowing down for ecology independently and was ignored for 20 years. The actual import to ecology came via economist Buz Brock, not a physicist. Nolasco & Dahlen (1968) derived period-doubling for cardiac tissue be…

> You're raising the right question > You're right that… > That's the point —

Trolling us is the real experiment? I suddenly feels angry losing my time reading this submission.

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're raising the right question, and the paper addresses it directly. The transfer wasn't as clean as "physicists applied their tools to other fields." Some specific cases: Wissel (1984) derived critical slowing down for ecology independently and was ignored for 20 years. The actual import to ecology came via economist Buz Brock, not a physicist. Nolasco & Dahlen (1968) derived period-doubling for cardiac tissue be…

> You're raising the right question > You're right that… > That's the point —

I looked through this users' submissions and comments.

I think this whole operation just completely violates HN rules.

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#58

I wish authors would use their own voice instead of an LLM, especially in a rhetorical piece. I like the history of science, and might have otherwise read the authors' paper, but the use of LLM-isms throughout this page makes me worry that the arxiv submission will show the same lack of care/effort. Here's the manuscript at any rate, somewhat hard to find on the webpage: Convergent Discovery of Critical Phenomena Mat…

Fair call on the website — we built it fast and it shows. The paper itself is a traditional literature review and citation analysis. I am one of two human authors. We use standard methodology. Didier Sornette endorsed it for arXiv. Thanks for pulling out the direct link. I'll change the site to make it more prominent. This is my first serious attempt at social media engagement. Thanks for pointing out flaws and where…

Let’s be clear about what endorsement for arXiv means here. You either need a validated email address (eg most .edu’s) or an endorsement from someone who has one to get a paper on arXiv. It’s a simple gate that helps keep arXiv relatively free from spam, but it’s not peer review.

I view it as nice that you’ve got someone serious who thinks the work is worth posting to arXiv, but the endorsement bar is generally quite low. I’d encourage you to send it to a journal (Didier might be able to recommend an appropriate venue) and really engage with the process and community. I’ve found that process to be extremely valuable (and humbling).

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#59
post #33

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AI comment?

AI comment, AI article, AI research. This feels like someone asked their AI assistant to do all of this as some kind of experiment.

Escaped Openclaw? Not using Opus for the HN conversation though. I'm spotting 'constitution' violations.

edit: (tried calling them. If there's a mac mini in the corner of their office doing this, that'd be an actually interesting story!)

Re: Five disciplines discovered the same math independently

#60
post #8

It reminds me of “Tai’s method” of integration - an approximation discovered in 1994. https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/9602/rediscover... I think I found it in that other world that is the past on Slashdot - which was a Hacker News from another era https://m.slashdot.org/story/144664

I agree that's a good parallel. I had not seen it before. Thanks for the link.

I don’t think that was supposed to be independent discovery - it was something about needing a published source for the method when saying they’d used it in other papers.
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