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BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

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Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

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I rent cars 300 days a year, for work. Generally I don’t have high expectations.

Right now I’m driving a BMW IX2 and it’s the stupidest fucking car I ever drove.

I had booked a Polestar 2, which Hertz unfortunately didn’t have available. Great car, that one.

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

#52
This patent came from the design department. Some dude looked at the logo and said, “Huh, we could make a screw from this.” The legal team then took it and made a design patent.

If you guys want, I can message him and ask about the grand conspiracy behind it but you might be disappointed.

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Correct bit for screwdriver available on AliExpress 5 minutes after the bolt is available for public.

And that would violate both BMWs Trademark and Patent, which at least in Switzerland could mean having to pay BMW damages and get fined for importing counterfeit goods.

Anyone with a mill could fabricate something to fit that in a short space of time.

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

#54
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Why not? A properly set up CNC machining center would turn those out by the bucketload. That's precisely the sort of thing that BMW does regularly with exterior details, no reason why they couldn't do it for a batch of bolts.

You don't use CNC for making a billion individual screws. These would have their heads formed by being stamped in a die, just like phillips, robertson, security torx or any other screw heads.

Not for a billion. But especially for these it makes perfect sense, and given the details on the screw there is no doubt that it was made in exactly that way. The head was first milled and then there seems to have been a wire brush pass afterwards which got most but not all of the mill marks.

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

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Why not? A properly set up CNC machining center would turn those out by the bucketload. That's precisely the sort of thing that BMW does regularly with exterior details, no reason why they couldn't do it for a batch of bolts.

You can make anything on anything. Doesn't make it smart tho. If this were a production run of a few dozen super high grade aerospace donkey dicks with five shoulders and four pockets, an oil channel, a precisely engineered break point and a 12-step heat treat process I'd say yeah, make it on your Swiss lathe with live tooling or bajillion axis VMC or whatever. But this looks to be a simple small, probably cosmetic o…

I know how just about every fastener is made. I also know how to look for toolmarks on the work product and I guarantee you that the bolt in TFA was made by machining rather than by stamping. Because this is a marketing instrument, not just a fastener.

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

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A friend of mine used to buy the first model of any new and hot BMW. He'd know the specs better than the sales people and he spent a fortune on them. They also spent more time in the shop with electrical gremlins than any car that I've ever seen. One of our employees insisted on a Mini, which is also BMW as their lease car. No other car we had had that much trouble. BMW is a crap brand that used to make very good car…

> Neither of these will survive in the longer term German government will do everything possible to prevent these companies from failing, no matter how bad the situation gets. This means that current management can simply apply the "next quarter" strategy without any realistic downside.

It's also a well payed job for boomers.

Helps to keep house prices up

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can make anything on anything. Doesn't make it smart tho. If this were a production run of a few dozen super high grade aerospace donkey dicks with five shoulders and four pockets, an oil channel, a precisely engineered break point and a 12-step heat treat process I'd say yeah, make it on your Swiss lathe with live tooling or bajillion axis VMC or whatever. But this looks to be a simple small, probably cosmetic o…

I know how just about every fastener is made. I also know how to look for toolmarks on the work product and I guarantee you that the bolt in TFA was made by machining rather than by stamping. Because this is a marketing instrument, not just a fastener.

I'd be unsurprised if they photographed a the pre-production one that was milled. They will almost certainly not be making the bulk of them that way. It just doesn't make sense in any way. At minimum order qualities in the tens of thousands (which they will certainly exceed) it makes sense to sub out to specialists.

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

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post #39

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good thing that it would be a chinese copy, and thus, not subject to switzerland law. So i wonder if chinese law recognize this patent/trademark for a screw?

Their point is that there's a possibility that Swiss customs fines them and confiscates the "counterfeit."

Maybe, the problem is that customs are not opening every package and as long as manufacturer won't name the copy as "screwdriver for patented BMW screw" but something more like screwdriver SN-2249 then how customs would know what that screwdriver is for?

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

#59
post #38

Reminds me of the 2-hole "snake eye" or "pig nose" screw heads you sometimes see in bathrooms or elevators. I have several of the bits for these since they come with every one of those n>20 -piece screwdriver bit sets, but I've never actually had to undo one. I guess that goes for most of the oddball bits those sets come with. If they really wanted to screw (pun, sorry) with repairability (and at significant cost to…

There are many non-standard screw diameters and threads. They are often implemented for particular requirement-driven (you may want deeper threads to increase strength or vibration-resistance) or regulatory reasons (certain tariffs kick-in at specific screw diameters).

Re: BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair

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BMW resale values make it very clear: these cars are actively hostile (in many many ways) to their owners the second they go out of warranty. Pity, their interiors are lovely. In the long term, is this strategy going to work out for them? I won't buy another one. I know... anecdata :)

BMW used to be extremely good and very repairable/upgradeable. They have clearly lost their way. Seems like a fundamental loss of confidence in their ability to produce leading technology, and instead feeling like they must defensively focus on blocking and extracting maximum funds from customers, both with costly "authorized-only" repairs and subscriptions for heated seats. Sad

And even for their older cars, most parts have gone NLA (no longer available), sending prices through the roof if you can find them at all! At least Porsche and Mercedes have programs to manufacture new parts for their old cars...

(My E39 M5 was one of the last user-repairable BMWs, but it's getting very expensive. On the other hand, it's driving a significant market for regular people designing and building replacement parts, whether 3D-printed, CNC'd, or homemade)

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