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Re: Steve Bannon Proposes Using ICE in Elections

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Post by mcphage »

jeffbee wrote: post #43
general1465 wrote: post #39

How many ICE agents is there? How many elections places are in USA? They would be spread so thinly that it would not even matter.

I keep hearing this, but it doesn't make sense. This is electionist cope. The elections are decided in a handful of states with narrow margins. The ICE guys will be hanging around in urban neighborhoods with lots of minorities. Such as parts of Milwaukee and Detroit.

> The ICE guys will be hanging around in urban neighborhoods with lots of minorities. Such as parts of Milwaukee and Detroit.

Which they have been. How did that go in the special election a few days ago?

Re: Steve Bannon Proposes Using ICE in Elections

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Post by mindslight »

_aleph2c_ wrote: post #28

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Illegal immigrants are not voting, especially in significant numbers.

Meanwhile this exact topic is discussing how our voting system may be directly attacked by effectively a foreign power, after the population was previously swayed by foreign influence in the form of revanchist propaganda highlighting all of America's problems while offering no solution beyond naked fascism red in tooth and claw.

It's also utterly disingenuous to bring up "criminals" to drive focus onto individuals, skipping right past the fish rotting from the head with the corrupt federal executive.

Re: Steve Bannon Proposes Using ICE in Elections

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Post by bigyabai »

crumpled wrote: post #38
tptacek wrote: post #17

This wouldn't be on-topic for HN even if it wasn't running in "Newsweek" --- even if a sitting senator had said it, mere proposals are explicitly off-topic --- but I always feel like it's useful to call out the fact that "Newsweek" is a grift publication. The Newsweek your parents read went out of business a decade and a half ago, and was purchased by a cult and run as an SEO farm. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=a…

I would change that classification from "mere proposal" to "credible threat". I'm honestly disappointed to see this flagged. What's the saying, "Even an SEO farm is right twice a day"?

Agreed. Bannon has substantial political influence, and they definitely know that. The parent's comments have a history of unnecessarily concern-trolling posts they don't like, instead of flagging them or moving on.

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Post by exceptione »

CalRobert wrote: post #53
lawn wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because fascists.

What’s a better forum? Tired of “crushing democracy isn’t directly related to tech” flagging

Which means that this discussion should take place _right here_. That is also a role for moderation to play. It used to be worse though, the fascism is now too much in the face to push it aside, so some of the critical pieces of information are not immediately removed from front page. But HN has a problem with reality and responsibility, I had naively thought the public would be more intellectually honest. Reality will only get more uncomfortable, I think. Authoritarian dynamics will inevitable escalate, crushing dissent or competition, anything goes in this zero sum game. The business part has to think about its political part.

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Post by mothballed »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #46
jeffbee wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you live in the most pro-2A state, which is Texas, then you need not worry about this because not only will Texas vote Republican in a wildly lopsided fashion as usual, and not only will the state of Texas gleefully cooperate with Trump election interference, it is also the one place where ICE goons won't stalk the streets carrying arms and wearing skull masks because by statute and by jurisprudence Texas has alre…

> A stand-your-ground law, sometimes called a "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law, provides that people may use deadly force when they reasonably believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes (right of self-defense). Under such a law, people have no duty to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense, so long as they are in a place where they are lawfully present. The exact deta…

Notably, Minneapolis, the epicenter of intimidation by ICE, is duty to retreat in public.

So if you show up at the polls and someone threatens you, it appears you have to turn around and run away.

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Post by muwtyhg »

ksherlock wrote: post #5
cf100clunk wrote: post #2

Voter intimidation is against the law.

Well, when the president does it ... that means that it is not illegal -- Richard Nixon, 1973; US Supreme Court, 2024

Or, as Trump likes to put (quote) it: "He who saves his Country does not violate any law."

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Post by Analemma_ »

deepfriedchokes wrote: post #48
dyauspitr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This administration is lawless.

This is a systems problem, not a human problem. It was inevitable that any weaknesses in the system would eventually be exploited. We should focus on fixing the system so this cannot happen again.

I disagree completely. There are a lot of tweaks which need to be made to the various mechanisms of American government, but ultimately there's no system you can design which can fix the problem of "approximately half the country is in a personality cult to one guy who demands absolute power, and his supporters in government refuse to enforce the law against him". Or at least no system which is remotely recognizable as democratic. How could that possibly work?

It's user error, and trying to fix it without changing the minds and wants of those users just makes them angrier that "the Elites are undermining the will of the People" or whatever.

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Post by SilverElfin »

Analemma_ wrote: post #6
cf100clunk wrote: post #2

Voter intimidation is against the law.

The President is absolutely immune to the law for any "official actions", and the Supreme Court case which established this was specifically about whether ensuring voting integrity, no matter how farcically pre-textual, is an "official action": they determined it is. The law won't help us here.

Even if the law helps, who would enforce it? The president can violate any law it appears. The DOJ won’t do anything against the president, since it is an executive agency under the president’s direction. If it required SCOTUS, it is just too slow acting to respond to the constant stream of violations. We need a new arm of the government to enforce the law against the executive branch.

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Post by SilverElfin »

tmaly wrote: post #40

Bannon is being funded by a foreign agent. His job is to create controversy.

One thing that surprised me in the Epstein files is just how much Epstein was intertwined in various foreign relations. Like Peter Thiel repeatedly meeting Russian officials and his Kremlin handler (literally) at Epstein’s properties. And various Israeli people conducting business there. Isn’t Thiel collaborating with Russians treasonous? What does it mean when you have this set of people who are all working together - Bannon, Thiel, Musk, Vance, etc - are they all treasonous?
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