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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by endymion-light »

This felt like a sane and useful case until you mentioned the access to bank account side.

I just don't see a reason to allow OpenClaw to make purchases for you, it doesn't feel like something that a LLM should have access to. What happens if you accidentally end up adding a new compromised skill?

Or it purchases you running shoes, but due to a prompt injection sends it through a fake website?

Everything else can be limited, but the buying process is currently quite streamlined, doesn't take me more than 2 minutes to go through a shopify checkout.

Are you really buying things so frequently that taking the risk to have a bot purchase things for you is worth it?

I think that's what turns this post from a sane bullish case to an incredibly risky sentiment.

I'd probably use openclaw in some of the ways you're doing, safe read-only message writing, compiling notes etc & looking at grocery shopping, but i'd personally add more strict limits if I were you.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by the_af »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #37
cj wrote: post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

First time I've seen it. It will be interesting to see if that trends. I can think of at least one previous case where internet writing style overturned centuries of english conventions: we used to put a double space after each period. The web killed that due to double spaces requiring extra work (&nbsp, etc), and at this point I think word processors now follow the convention. It's always useful to check oneself and…

> First time I've seen it. It will be interesting to see if that trends.

It's not a new trend, I'm surprised you never noticed it. It dates back to at least a decade. It's mostly used to signal informal/hipster speak, i.e. you're writing as you would type in a chat window (or Twitter), without care for punctuation or syntax.

It already trends among a certain generation of people.

I hate it, needless to say. Anything that impedes my reading of mid/long form text is unwelcome.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by Der_Einzige »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #21
olalonde wrote: post #6

Why is everything in lowercase?

sam altman types like this, so this is what is cool to the agi believers.

Maybe he writes in lower case because he targets "lower ages"?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6lq6x2gd9o

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by the_af »

imsohotness wrote: post #35
cj wrote: post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

I've seen this before, I know Sam Altman does it (or used to do it). That was a couple years ago. Hope it doesn't become a trend.

It's already a trend. It's been for at least a decade. I'm surprised people here never noticed it...

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#57

Post by 1dom »

cj wrote: post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

I really dislike it too.

I think it might be adults ignoring established grammar rules to make a statement about how they identify a part of a group of AI evangelists.

Kind of like how teenagers do nonsensical things like where thick heavy clothing regardless of the weather to indicate how much of a badass them and their other badass coat wearing friends are.

To normal humans, they look ridiculous, but they think they're cool and they're not harming anyone so I just leave them to it.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by speak_plainly »

cj wrote: post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

Someone at some point styled themselves as a new E.E. Cummings, and somehow this became a style. The article features inconsistent capitalization for proper names alongside capitalized initialisms, proving there is some recognition of the utility of capitalization.

Ultimately, the author forces an unnecessary cognitive burden on the reader by removing a simple form of navigation; in that regard, it feels like a form of disrespect.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#59

Post by the_af »

zenmac wrote: post #40
cj wrote: post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

easier to type without using the shift key, and in pg you can just use LIKE not ILIKE to find the word.

Text is meant primarily to be read rather than written.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by zozbot234 »

endymion-light wrote: post #51

This felt like a sane and useful case until you mentioned the access to bank account side. I just don't see a reason to allow OpenClaw to make purchases for you, it doesn't feel like something that a LLM should have access to. What happens if you accidentally end up adding a new compromised skill? Or it purchases you running shoes, but due to a prompt injection sends it through a fake website? Everything else can be…

You could give it access to a limited budget and review its spending periodically. Then it can make annoying mistakes but it's not going to drain your bank account or anything.
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