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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by rsynnott »

afavour wrote: post #14

I’m sure Musk is going to say this is about free speech in an attempt to gin up his supporters. It isn’t. It’s about generating and distributing non consensual sexual imagery, including of minors. And, when notified, doing nothing about it. If anything it should be an embarrassment that France are the only ones doing this. (it’ll be interesting to see if this discussion is allowed on HN. Almost every other discussion…

> If anything it should be an embarrassment that France are the only ones doing this.

As mentioned in the article, the UK's ICO and the EC are also investigating.

France is notably keen on raids for this sort of thing, and a lot of things that would be basically a desk investigation in other countries result in a raid in France.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by orwin »

antonymoose wrote: post #34
techblueberry wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In November 2012, Epstein sent Musk an email asking “how many people will you be for the heli to island”. “Probably just Talulah and me. What day/night will be the wildest party on your island?” Musk replied, in an apparent reference to his former wife Talulah Riley. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk... I think there's just as much evidence Clinton did as Musk. Gates on the other hand.

To my knowledge Musk asked to go but never actually went. Clinton, however, went a dozen or so times with Epstein on his private jet? Has the latest release changed that narrative?

Yes. He went at least once in 2012, then asked to go again in 2013 and Epstein refused.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Altern4tiveAcc »

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas.

This step could come before a police raid.

This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by cwillu »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #44
techblueberry wrote: post #27

I'm not saying I'm entirely against this, but just out of curiosity, what do they hope to find in a raid of the french offices, a folder labeled "Grok's CSAM Plan"?

What do they hope to find, specifically ? Who knows, but maybe the prosecutors have a better awareness of specifics than us HN commenters who have not been involved in the investigation. What may they find, hypothetically? Who knows, but maybe an internal email saying, for instance, 'Management says keep the nude photo functionality, just hide it behind a feature flag' , or maybe 'Great idea to keep a backup of the i…

Or “regulators don't understand the technology; short of turning it off entirely, there's nothing we can do to prevent it entirely, and the costs involved in attempting to reduce it are much greater than the likely fine, especially given that we're likely to receive such a fine anyway.”

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by moolcool »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by cwillu »

logicchains wrote: post #39
tokai wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what world is generating CSAM a speech issue? Its really doing a disservice to actual free speech issues to frame it was such.

The point of banning real CSAM is to stop the production of it, because the production is inherently harmful. The production of AI or human generated CSAM-like images does not inherently require the harm of children, so it's fundamentally a different consideration. That's why some countries, notably Japan, allow the production of hand-drawn material that in the US would be considered CSAM.

If libeling real people is a harm to those people, then altering photos of real children is certainly also a harm to those children.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by moolcool »

techblueberry wrote: post #27

I'm not saying I'm entirely against this, but just out of curiosity, what do they hope to find in a raid of the french offices, a folder labeled "Grok's CSAM Plan"?

Moderation rules? Training data? Abuse metrics? Identities of users who generated or accessed CSAM?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by rsynnott »

orwin wrote: post #52
antonymoose wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my knowledge Musk asked to go but never actually went. Clinton, however, went a dozen or so times with Epstein on his private jet? Has the latest release changed that narrative?

Yes. He went at least once in 2012, then asked to go again in 2013 and Epstein refused.

Oof.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by moolcool »

chrisjj wrote: post #4
pogue wrote: post #2

Finally, someone is taking action against the CSAM machine operating seemingly without penalty.

[flagged]

Are you implying that it's not abuse to "undress" a child using AI?

You should realize that children have committed suicide before because AI deepfakes of themselves have been spread around schools. Just because these images are "fake" doesn't mean they're not abuse, and that there aren't real victims.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by aaomidi »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

Lmao they literally made a broad accessible CSAM maker.
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