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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by javawizard »

onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

I used to work at a place that had the famous Antoine de Saint-Exupéry quote painted near the elevators where everyone would see it when they arrived for work:

  Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
I miss those days.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

bflesch wrote: post #34
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux kernels will all eventually be permeated with AI-gen code as well. It will just take longer to see and feel the effects.

Your argument is in bad faith because you are using false equivalence bias.

I wasn't making an argument. It was a prediction that all major software, (including the major linux distros) will eventually be majority (>50%) AI generated. Software that is 100% human generated will be like getting a hand knitted sweater at a farmers market. Available, but expensive and only produced at very small scale.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by eklavya »

pjmlp wrote: post #36
johnebgd wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to Ubuntu last week for my desktop. First time in my 25+ year career I’ve felt like Microsoft was wasting my time more than administering a Linux desktop would take. The slop effect is real.

You might want to change to Debian or some other distro more radical. https://ubuntu.com/ai

I am not getting what that linked url is supposed to mean. It is a very decent business page where ubuntu is selling consulting for "your" projects and telling why ubuntu is great for developing AI systems.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by pjmlp »

eklavya wrote: post #53
pjmlp wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to change to Debian or some other distro more radical. https://ubuntu.com/ai

I am not getting what that linked url is supposed to mean. It is a very decent business page where ubuntu is selling consulting for "your" projects and telling why ubuntu is great for developing AI systems.

And eventually on Ubuntu itself, who knows.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by dataviz1000 »

oefrha wrote: post #50
dataviz1000 wrote: post #10

I installed Claude Code yesterday after the quality of VSCode Copilot Chat continuously is getting worse every release. I can't tell yet if Claude Code is better or not but VSCode Copilot Chat has become completely unusable. It would start making mistakes which would double the requests to Claude Opus 4.5 which in January is the only model that would work at all. I spent $400 in tokens in January. I'll know better in…

Claude Code’s subscription pricing is pretty ridiculously subsidized compared to their API pricing if you manage to use anywhere close to the quota. Like 10x I think. Crazy value if you were using $400 in tokens.

I just upgraded to the $100 a month 5x plan 5 minutes ago.

Starting in October with Vscode Copilot Chat it was $150, $200, $300, $400 per month with the same usage. I thought they were just charging more per request without warning. The last couple weeks it seemed that vscode copilot was just fucking up making useless calls.

Perhaps, it wasn't a dark malicious pattern but rather incompetence that was driving up the price.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by sarchertech »

root_axis wrote: post #19
bondarchuk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/engineering-at-microsoft/welc... "Microsoft has over 100,000 software engineers working on software projects of all sizes." So that would mean 100 000 000 000 (100 billion) lines of code per month. Frightening.

More likely those 100k engineers would shrink to 10k.

Thats still 10 billion lines of code per month if that insane metric were a real goal (it’s not).

That’s 200 Windows’ worth of code every month.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by sarchertech »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #32
sarchertech wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the guy who posted that updated his post to say he was just talking about a research project he is working on.

Which is a bald-faced lie written in response to a PR disaster. The original claims were not ambiguous: > My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. Our North Star is “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code”. Obviously, "every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" is not contained within a single rese…

I mean 100% that was his goal. But that was one guy without the power to set company wide goals talking on LinkedIn.

The fact that there are distinguished engineers at MS who think that is a reasonable goal is frightening though.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by the_duke »

onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

Do you have a source for that?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by martinflack »

smoe wrote: post #26
onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

It is kind of funny that throughout my career, there has always been pretty much a consensus that lines of code are a bad metric, but now with all the AI hype, suddenly everybody is again like “Look at all the lines of code it writes!!” I use LLMs all day every day, but measuring someone or something by the number of lines of code produced is still incredibly stupid, in my opinion.

Ironically, AI may help get past that. In order to measure "value chunks" or some other metric where LoC is flexibly multiplied by some factor of feature accomplishment, quality, and/or architectural importance, an opinion of the section in question is needed, and an overseer AI could maybe do that.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by ReptileMan »

onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

Is 1 million bugs stated implicitly or explicitly?
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