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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#51
At this point I dont trust common sense in anybody inside Microsoft.

They are doing dumb shit for about 5 years now, and killing MS Office, a brand thats market leader for more than 30 years prooves that anybody who had conservative opinion on how software should be built have already abandoned the ship or was kicked out of it.

Now is being run by "visionary" marketing people, and the only way left is down.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

The pain of ripping this all out properly is likely too high. Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie, another way has been looking better and better: windows 13 or 14 will just be a linux distro

Unlike IE, the NT kernel was never bad and is still (presumably) in a pretty good shape. It's the userland that's gone insane. Someone should just port the Windows 7 shell to the newest kernel and call it a day.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#53
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> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

The pain of ripping this all out properly is likely too high. Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie, another way has been looking better and better: windows 13 or 14 will just be a linux distro

The problem with windows is not the kernel, as it is preety solid, but user space.

Wathever problems windows have today, retro compatibility was always a strong point in favor of windows. Breaking it with such a change in the kernel, would make most of its users even bitter than they are today.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about Windows, but it will take a lot more enshittification than that to burn down the Office brand. Excel alone carries it to dominance.

The Office brand is literally gone, they renamed it to "Microsoft Copilot 365 app". Check https://office.com

I'm shocked they didn't stash "defender" in there somehow. I used to joke that one name they'd rebrand the start menu as "defender for application launching" and rebrand the power button as "defender for powering on."

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#55

At this point I dont trust common sense in anybody inside Microsoft. They are doing dumb shit for about 5 years now, and killing MS Office, a brand thats market leader for more than 30 years prooves that anybody who had conservative opinion on how software should be built have already abandoned the ship or was kicked out of it. Now is being run by "visionary" marketing people, and the only way left is down.

5 years? try 10

Windows 10 released with the ability for the user to not consent to updates REMOVED

the direction of travel from that point on was clear

consent was no longer necessary

the OS is purpose is no longer to serve the owner of the computer, it is there to serve Microslop's whims

and that was the point I went full linux everywhere

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#57
Recall is a bloated waste of time that completely misses the point. Why not instead let me snapshot a set of apps and docs/projects that are open, then snapshot a different set of apps and what’s open, and let me flip between the two (or three or four)? This way I could sort out my setup for home versus work, or between multiple clients/customers, and be able to quickly jump between common layouts/apps depending on context. But to be honest, this is probably beyond what Windows APIs are capable of, since Windows can’t even remember what directories I was working in across apps.

I’m not sure why I need to know the history of screenshots that is Recall. Maybe this was simply the best they could do?

That said, Windows 11 is such an AI-fueled privacy dumpster fire that it’s getting replaced by Linux on my gaming PC this month. Then I’m only stuck on Windows for work, and even then I can still write code on Mac or Linux.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

> …because literally a Labrador licking his balls all day would have resulted in a better outcome.

My Labrador says a/ he’s neutered c/ dogix user b/ his teams always begin with empathy: people (and retrieves) over outcomes

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#59
Too be honest, thres is too much wrong with win 11 to save it at this point.

Is not only AI bullshit in my notepad.

The excess adds, intrusive online stuff, terriblee performance for basic tasks like the File Explorer or even opening a menu.

Making everything a damn web page...

One clear example is outlook. Talk wathever you want, outlook, is the indistry standart for e-mail. And while not perfect it was very usefull. Then they keep pushing the new interface on everybody throats. The new interface takes like 1 gb of RAM when in use, agaisnt 200mb of the traditional one, while offering less options. Why would anyone who really cares about e-mail use that shit? People who just casually use e-mails dont use Outlook, they use the webmail.

They choose to ignore the users, and push top down changes into them. But the market dont really works this way for most people. Not every tech company needs to be like Apple.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a failure in vision from leadership rather than a failure in governance. My understanding is that the company was told from the very top to put AI everywhere and that's exactly what they did.

Why not both? Where I work, there have been a lot of pushback where that BS doesn't make a lick of sense (the crown jewel of BS request atm: "let's put AI in the bootloader"). Good governance "should" also mean that those kinds of pushback are encouraged.

I imagine it went like this:

CEO: Put AI everywhere/

Engineering Staff: There's a lot of places where it doesn't make sense to do this.

CEO: Do it or find somewhere else to work.

The problem of pushback at the lower levels is that it is completely ineffective when the top levels are set on something.

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