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We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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I sympathise with the author's point (the machines in The Matrix were right!), but the analog music part doesn't really hold water. Digitally produced music was of course a huge thing in the 90s. Countless genres of electronic music – techno, trance, house, whatever have you, all of that made on computers. And of course almost all of pop was digital synth based by the 90s.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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I think this is just millenials discovering nostalgia. For me all kinds of things sucked (even though I am a millenial).

I really love lots of things about the world today. I love delivery apps, remote working, so much entertainment. I feel much safer in some ways (not in others -- but that's a 2026 development). I hated walkmans and cd players, they skip, wearout,etc... I hated having to rent movies, sometimes all the copies have been rented out, and you had to deal with fees for not rewinding. and the media quality sucked.

Even when there was internet (if you're lucky, and you afforded the very costly computers back then), you had to share time with landline usage. You had to remember landline numbers too.

I hated writing all the time, pens, pencils, sharpening pencils, pens leaking in your pocket. There were no cameras anywhere back then, so people were free to be really bad to each other with little consequence. You didn't go viral for berating a waiter back then. Everything terrible cops are accused of doing today, it was 10x worse in the 90s too.

So many thing were inaccessible unless you were in the right neighborhood and with the right amount of family income.

In news and politics, petty things were made to be a big deal, like Clinton's affair for example. People today fall for the deception of nostalgia and think it's because things were by relation not so bad back then, but it's just that they were kids and their parents sheltered them. All the stuff in epstein's list, all the #metoo revelations, all the gang warfare and war on drugs chaos in cities, that happened in the 90s too. matter of fact, a lot of the terrible things happening today are only coming into the light now that we have smartphones, internet and things are getting exposed.

In my opinion, the US peaked in 2022-23 in many ways.But post-covid trauma and the current administration nullified much of that.

What was great in the 90s was that the US had a healthy amount of national pride and love of country. Russia/Putin has been trying to undermine that, split the us apart from within since the fall of the USSR. Which by the way, all the 90's nostalgia is fueled by the whole "we won the cold war" euphoria in part, and mostly younger people being fooled by the whole "that means we're the good guys" nonsense. Until Iraq of course.

But anyways, social divisions and strife has widened dramatically, but the people who call themselves "MAGA" were "tea party" prior to that and all sorts of other names historically. All the chaos with the current admin is caused by "the heritage foundation" which has been sowing sees of divisions and chaos since before the 90s (thank them for project 2025). My point is the divisions and chaos are not new. but a lot of people that were doing badly in the 90's are doing much better now (oh..and did I mention how terrifying aids was then? even covid in 2020 was nowhere near as scary).

We're terrible at appreciating what we have right now in the present,today. We're losing so much of our rights and privileges because of this nonsense, so I hope you all don't propagate it. The 90's were nice in some ways, but they were mostly horrible, and the more disadvantaged you were the worse they were. There was more injustice, more misery, more suffering, more discomforts. We have the best technology, the best health care, the most powerful military, an economy which by all means should be crashing but is somehow surviving, a government which is being attacked by cartoon-level villains at all sides and somehow it too hasn't collapsed yet. Even our allies which are turning to other countries, even they haven't forsaken the US completely yet.

This mindset of "we used to have it great but it's over now" is defeatist. it is actually the same mindset MAGA is using for their lunacy.

The problem I think is our generation and gen-z are finally grown ups now, but instead of fighting to keep what we have and improving it, we're in this defeatist mindset looking back into the past and thinking it used to be better. Not appreciating the progress achieved by the sacrifices and struggles of so many. What you don't fight to keep is taken away from you.

Oh and by the way, remember the ozone crisis, it was more scary than climate change now, and we fixed it more or less now (although objectively, climate change in the future will be worse if it isn't fixed).

I really really hated school so much!! now for all the problems I had, there has been so much research into them. educators are more aware and more willing to provide individualized plans to students. I wish I had wikipedia back then, heck I wish I had chatgpt back then, I was the student that asked 1000 questions and annoyed everyone, I could annoy chatgpt instead if i were a student today.

Taxis, how horrible and scammy they were! it was such a hopeless, boring and miserable time. I could go on all day.

The key thing everyone should keep in mind is that nostalgia is by its nature deceptive. This is why eyewitness testimony is also unreliable. We selectively recall things from the past, not only that, our minds alter how we felt back then in the recall process.

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This Douglas Adams quote is still undefeated: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

There's definitely some truth to that but not everything is a generational thing. Eg: Social media is a net negative for kids and teens.

Kids these days can't even play outside by themselves, let alone explore alone or be unsupervised miles from home with no adults like we could when I was a kid in the 90s and 2000s. What else can they do other than use social media? The creeping infantilization of the youth has robbed them of any chance for socializing or fun that exists outside of a screen.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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This Douglas Adams quote is still undefeated: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

There's definitely some truth to that but not everything is a generational thing. Eg: Social media is a net negative for kids and teens.

I think that’s still not really proven. For example, see this recent article:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/14/social-media-t...

My suspicion is that children who are not raised properly or are naturally more susceptible to certain issues, may be more damaged by social media. But it’s also possible that other children are positively benefiting from it, or at least just not negatively affected to the level that everyone assumes.

I’m speculating, but I bet children who are raised properly still have enough offline time doing things like playing outside and having some independence, that they are balanced and healthy.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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As an old-timer, the biggest difference between now and the 80s and 90s is that in the 80s and 90s entertainment was relatively scarce. An album cost $20, which was a lot in those days. You could get movies, but you had to go to the video store and remember to return them, and the selection was often limited. If you liked some weird band, most record stores didn't have it. In the 80s TV was very limited and you had t…

I've summarized this in some ways as there's nothing weird anymore. Nothing counter-culture. There's this notion some people who grew up in that time have who have become old and cynical which is like "How can anyone who grew up in the 90's be offended by anything. We had South Park!"

I was a teenager when The Spirit of Christmas came out, and the great thing about South park is how strange and transgressive it was. There was nothing like that anywhere. I've become a little bit of a fuddy duddy in my old age, but not because I'm truly offended by off-color jokes, but I miss when things felt like they were really transgressive. Off color jokes aren't really naughty when they're everywhere. I've started to listen to more classical music and read the classics. I'm not like trying to be "edgy" but it feels like one of the few things that is not ubiquitous.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes of course I am. This is the best possible time quite literally. Barely any conflict. The entire world, including 'poor' countries, are getting richer. Like the world of 2100 is going to be F'ING amazing. We are making our way to a post scarcity world and it's amazing. All the negative news you hear everyday are just distractions from what's actually going on.

Is this satire?

We’re quickly entering a new era of energy abundance, without needing to constantly dig up, process, and cart around enormous amounts of oil. And solar has recently gotten cheap enough that people in poorer countries around the world are deploying huge amounts of it. That’s pretty amazing!

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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This is true, and I think a good indicator of its truth is that basically all generations agree about it. Even Gen Z, who weren’t alive at the time.

Yup that's the thing: it's not only people who lived that era who do wish they could live in it today. I never wanted to live in the post-WW II late 40s/50s: maybe the sixties though. For honestly the late 40s and 50s looked incredibly dull. Just dull: movies were dull, acting was dumb, music was mostly pathetic save for a few exceptions. The boomers really lived the absolute dullest, naive, era and nobody fantasizes…

I'd be curious to see the 20's since it seems like that was it's own like big breakout time culturally.

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If you want to sum up the 90s in the UK for people like me who became adults then, it would be the song, "Things can only get better". A little embarrassing, yes? Naive? and yet there really was an optimism then. If things weren't great (and objectively it was a poorer country), they were getting better, and they could get better, and they would. Happiness is more about cake tomorrow than cake today, and in the 90s y…

I too loved that song as a kid, but it's from 1985. It felt like the right song for that era too!

True! But so indelibly linked to the 1997 election, and all the promise and promises of the incoming Labour government.

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The author is in their forties or fifties. They’re forgetting one important thing; they were young and the world was in front of them.

Every single 'it was better in the X0s' is actually 'i want a tween/young teenager in the X0s'. Everything else is post hoc rationalization I'm jealous of my kids since they are so much better off in every way

I don't think it is, so many kids watch stranger things and ask if kids really did have that kind of freedom back then. I get why many things objectively better today, but suicide rates are up. I don't think people's mental health and happiness follow like objective statistics very well. And why would we assume it's true? This concept of "I wish I was. tween/ young teenager in the X0's" has probably only been true for like 100 years.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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As an old-timer, the biggest difference between now and the 80s and 90s is that in the 80s and 90s entertainment was relatively scarce. An album cost $20, which was a lot in those days. You could get movies, but you had to go to the video store and remember to return them, and the selection was often limited. If you liked some weird band, most record stores didn't have it. In the 80s TV was very limited and you had t…

I've summarized this in some ways as there's nothing weird anymore. Nothing counter-culture. There's this notion some people who grew up in that time have who have become old and cynical which is like "How can anyone who grew up in the 90's be offended by anything. We had South Park!" I was a teenager when The Spirit of Christmas came out, and the great thing about South park is how strange and transgressive it was.…

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