Does anyone know what is a post oil industry asphalt strategy? Do we have stockpiles till the end of time already?
Asphalt is actually extremely recyclable. It often gets re-used right were it was torn up.
Procedures for Repair of Potholes in Asphalt-Surfaced Pavements
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does anyone expect there will be a post oil industry? I would assume (with not particular knowledge on the subject mind) that once we wind down oil use for fuel and to some extent plastics, there will be enough oil in the ground to support enough extraction for asphalt and other currently trivial uses indefinitely.
An asphalt roofing shingle company just closed in Minneapolis due to the city's new CO2 tax. The local environmental group held a little press conference crowing about it. Mind you, this won't change the demand for asphalt shingles, they'll just be shipped from further, generating more C02 on the whole. The only other current alternatives are all non-renewable as well- mined clay, slate, or metal. For residential roo…
> An asphalt roofing shingle company just closed in Minneapolis due to the city's new CO2 tax. The local environmental group held a little press conference crowing about it.
For what it’s worth, Owens Corning operates an asphalt shingle plant in North Minneapolis (1701 49th Ave N) and they have no intentions of closing it down.
The commercial roof material you’re referring to is called EPDM rubber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPDM_rubber
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
And when you go to your local government, demand a fix, they'll contract a union shop to do the work, often mandated by law, and they will advocate for the least durable, most expensive fix, so as to ensure recurring work happens at a maximum frequency. Attention to certain roads, duration of work is often politicized - someone with good friends gets quick, top tier fixes, but someone who annoys the local council mig…
It depends entirely on where you live. My city has its own asphalt batch plant and they spend a few weeks every late winter/early spring repairing potholes. Also, union labor is not mandatory for public work, but the prevailing wage scales that contractors are required to pay their workers do line up pretty closely to the actual union wages. It’s a good thing that people get paid a living wage, in my opinion. There a…
It's awesome when unions serve the function intended. It's not awesome when there's mandatory contracts, 5 men standing around while a 6th holds a bucket, a 7th a shovel, an 8th a painbrush, while the 9th is driving a steamroller, etc. and they use cheap, inappropriate "repairs" that degrade on a predictable rolling 2 year basis. Noble institutions can be as corruptible as governments and private businesses and so forth, all it takes is one person willing to bend, a little, and poof, there's a tidy little predictable sinecure for a decade, with one or more middleman doing the subcontracting out to a union shop, or w/e. Peoples' capacity for grift and graft is endless.
Re: Procedures for Repair of Potholes in Asphalt-Surfaced Pavements
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
An asphalt roofing shingle company just closed in Minneapolis due to the city's new CO2 tax. The local environmental group held a little press conference crowing about it. Mind you, this won't change the demand for asphalt shingles, they'll just be shipped from further, generating more C02 on the whole. The only other current alternatives are all non-renewable as well- mined clay, slate, or metal. For residential roo…
> An asphalt roofing shingle company just closed in Minneapolis due to the city's new CO2 tax. The local environmental group held a little press conference crowing about it. For what it’s worth, Owens Corning operates an asphalt shingle plant in North Minneapolis (1701 49th Ave N) and they have no intentions of closing it down. The commercial roof material you’re referring to is called EPDM rubber: https://en.wikiped…
Nope, GAF / Building Materials Manufacturing LLC:
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-business/minneapolis-ro...
Re: Procedures for Repair of Potholes in Asphalt-Surfaced Pavements
#55I think they should have included the official NYC procedure, which is: 1. Dig out around the affected area 2. leave massive dent in the surface for what seems like years 3. Maybe cover it with a few janky bits of wood and/or metal sheets that make a hideous clanking noise all day and night and have the same approximate surface friction as an ice rink so are pretty murderous to any 2-wheeled road user 4. Leave this s…
My wife told me once a pothole on her daily commute through Oakland got big enough that a homeless person took up residence in it.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> An asphalt roofing shingle company just closed in Minneapolis due to the city's new CO2 tax. The local environmental group held a little press conference crowing about it. For what it’s worth, Owens Corning operates an asphalt shingle plant in North Minneapolis (1701 49th Ave N) and they have no intentions of closing it down. The commercial roof material you’re referring to is called EPDM rubber: https://en.wikiped…
Nope, GAF / Building Materials Manufacturing LLC: https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-business/minneapolis-ro...
I understand that, I was pointing out that another asphalt shingle plant in Minneapolis is still operating despite the CO2 tax.
Re: Procedures for Repair of Potholes in Asphalt-Surfaced Pavements
#57I think they should have included the official NYC procedure, which is: 1. Dig out around the affected area 2. leave massive dent in the surface for what seems like years 3. Maybe cover it with a few janky bits of wood and/or metal sheets that make a hideous clanking noise all day and night and have the same approximate surface friction as an ice rink so are pretty murderous to any 2-wheeled road user 4. Leave this s…
Or the Parks and Rec procedure, which is "Call Ron Swanson and have some Lagavulin ready".
Re: Procedures for Repair of Potholes in Asphalt-Surfaced Pavements
#58I think they should have included the official NYC procedure, which is: 1. Dig out around the affected area 2. leave massive dent in the surface for what seems like years 3. Maybe cover it with a few janky bits of wood and/or metal sheets that make a hideous clanking noise all day and night and have the same approximate surface friction as an ice rink so are pretty murderous to any 2-wheeled road user 4. Leave this s…
My understanding is the DOT gets pissy if locals fill in the pothole themselves, but I imagine that there's enough interested people to do vigilante road repair if they weren't subject to government harrassment.
Pick it up and drop it on the road outside a local politician's house, there'll be a repair crew there fixing it the next day.
Re: Procedures for Repair of Potholes in Asphalt-Surfaced Pavements
#59Does anyone know what is a post oil industry asphalt strategy? Do we have stockpiles till the end of time already?
Traditional oil extraction (drilling a well, not things like the oilsands or fracking) is actually relatively eco-friendly compared to other building products like concrete or steel; the problem is that burning it isn't great for the environment, and the heavy demand due to burning most of it means that lots of it is extracted using the less eco-friendly methods. So I think that the current plan is to continue extracting it more-or-less forever, just in much lower volumes than right now.
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#60As an aside, why do DoT pdfs have such gigantic margins/padding around the text content?
My guess would be that this was designed to be printed on smaller sheets of paper, like used in paperback novels and similar. But for some reason (possibly to make it more convenient to print on standard paper), the PDF was produced with Letter dimensions.
I don't think that it's for taking notes like the other reply [0] suggests, because if that were the case, I would expect for the cover to take up the whole paper width (since nobody would ever take notes on the cover), and I would expect the margin width to alternate between pages (since it's really hard to write on the inner margin in a bound book).
Using the example given in the other reply [0], the SCOTUS opinions are so narrow because they're printed on a bizarre paper size of 6 1/8" by 9 1/4" [1] [2], not to leave room to take notes.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46887595
[1]: https://www.supremecourt.gov/casehand/guidetofilingpaidcases...
[2]: https://www.supremecourt.gov/filingandrules/2023RulesoftheCo...