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Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by lazide »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #46
lazide wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has been using ICE a lot. Guess who is doing the identifying - CBP and ICE. Guess who runs borders and immigration, which is the use case for PreCheck and Global Entry? Guess what the stated jurisdictional limits are for CBP? 100 miles from any possible border [ https://legalclarity.org/immigration-map-of-us-jurisdictiona... ]. Guess who has essentially unlimited jurisdictional limits? ICE. So they can pretend…

> Guess who runs borders and immigration, which is the use case for PreCheck and Global Entry? Not ICE? > Guess who has essentially unlimited jurisdictional limits? ICE. ICE thinks that. The courts are disagreeing.

First question - CBP, as noted.

Unlimited jurisdictional limits - and the courts will enforce this with whose army? As it were.

ICE isn’t allowed to act on citizens either, and yet here we are.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by SilverElfin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #45
ottah wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's trivial for the state to punish you and nearly impossible to assert your own rights. It is a very hard legal battle to get those rights acknowledged and upheld by the courts.

> nearly impossible to assert your own rights. It is a very hard legal battle to get those rights acknowledged and upheld by the courts What are you basing this on? This administration is constantly losing in court.

They mean it’s costly - in time and money - so in practice random individuals who are abused by the government can’t defend their rights and simply have to accept losing them.

Plus even if the administration loses, why would they care? They aren’t going to jail for those losses.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by throw2937374 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48
metadat wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is attending a protest a potential violation of customs regulations? This doesn't track.

> How is attending a protest a potential violation of customs regulations? FTFA: “Protesting isn’t a listed or ‘valid’ reason for having Global Entry revoked, but being arrested at a protest is. Impeding or interfering with the agency is. And being investigated is.”

Looks like this is a social credit system.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by defrost »

lazide wrote: post #44
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Identify you when though? Important question I guess

The US has been using ICE a lot. Guess who is doing the identifying - CBP and ICE. Guess who runs borders and immigration, which is the use case for PreCheck and Global Entry? Guess what the stated jurisdictional limits are for CBP? 100 miles from any possible border [ https://legalclarity.org/immigration-map-of-us-jurisdictiona... ]. Guess who has essentially unlimited jurisdictional limits? ICE. So they can pretend…

> Guess what the stated jurisdictional limits are for CBP? 100 miles from any possible border

To quote a prominent US historian:

  In a constitutional regime, such as ours, the law applies everywhere and at all times. In a republic, such as ours, it applies to everyone. For that logic of law to be undone, the aspiring tyrant looks for openings, for cracks to pry open.

  One of these is the border. The country stops at the border. And so the law stops at the border. And so for the tyrant an obvious move is to extend the border so that is everywhere, to turn the whole country as a border area, where no rules apply.

  Stalin did this with border zones and deportations in the 1930s that preceded the Great Terror. Hitler did it with immigration raids in 1938 that targeted undocumented Jews and forced them across the border.
* https://snyder.substack.com/p/lies-and-lawlessness

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

throw2937374 wrote: post #53
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is attending a protest a potential violation of customs regulations? FTFA: “Protesting isn’t a listed or ‘valid’ reason for having Global Entry revoked, but being arrested at a protest is. Impeding or interfering with the agency is. And being investigated is.”

Looks like this is a social credit system.

> Looks like this is a social credit system

To the extent it’s a government program with any discretion, yes. In every other respect, no.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by bri3d »

throw2937374 wrote: post #53
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is attending a protest a potential violation of customs regulations? FTFA: “Protesting isn’t a listed or ‘valid’ reason for having Global Entry revoked, but being arrested at a protest is. Impeding or interfering with the agency is. And being investigated is.”

Looks like this is a social credit system.

Global Entry absolutely is a completely voluntary social credit system? It’s an optional thing you literally subscribe to that says “I’m squeaky clean so I can skip the investigation line.”

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by jmye »

steveBK123 wrote: post #22
zanecodes wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The far right are largely the people voting against robust safety nets and low inequality...

The leaders of the right are against a robust safety net, yes. Populist right voters however hate socialism but also want the government to keep their hands off their medicare and social security.

And vehemently oppose any expansion of those things to people they want to suffer. Populist right voters hate the idea that there isn’t someone “below” them and will vigorously and violently oppose any attempts to alter the pecking order. Let’s not make excuses, here.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #34
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly. The law should also be amended to require conviction or settlement, not merely investigation, to revoke someone’s PreCheck or Global Entry status.

Trusted Traveller programs are a privilege and not a constitutionally protected entitlement. They can be revoked at any time for any reason and you don't get your money back. What law are you talking about? Show us where in the Constitution it says you're entitled to cut in line at the airport. We're now in the Find Out phase of "Let's fuck around with DHS and see if they take us off their club's VIP list".

Personally, I don’t think that anyone should be speaking authoritatively on this subject because it seems to me to be untested constitutional law, unless a constitutional scholar would like to chime in.

In which case, it’s up to the Supreme Court to either explicitly (through judgment) or implicitly (through denying a hearing of the case) decide.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bri3d wrote: post #56
throw2937374 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like this is a social credit system.

Global Entry absolutely is a completely voluntary social credit system? It’s an optional thing you literally subscribe to that says “I’m squeaky clean so I can skip the investigation line.”

> Global Entry absolutely is a completely voluntary social credit system?

They’re making analogy to China’s social-credit system. It would be like if Global Entry was held by most Americans and you needed it to get a credit card or board a train.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #31

[dupe] Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46823261

I don’t think that this is a dupe, the ramifications of citizens being removed from Global Entry and PreCheck lists wasn’t part of the NYT article AFAIU.

Curious that at its current score and comment count it’s no longer on the front page, despite being neither flagged nor marked as dupe.

Edit: guess it’s flipping in between page 1 and 2 per refresh.

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