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Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#51
This sounds disturbing to me since I too live far away from Amazon's jurisdiction and I clearly know I would be even more helpless in a case like this.

Amazon's service was so sweet I didn't mind the DRM, the metaphorical diabetes. It seems now is the time to open my eyes and (again) realize 'RMS is always right'. I think I will stop buying any amazon e-book at least until I hear something good regarding this issue.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#52

I have a Kindle but I don't want to have to do with Amazon. What is the best open firmware so far I can flash into it? I'd like to retain ability to send documents from my computer to my Kindle over the internet.

I have a Kindle (wi-fi, w/ keyboard so 3rd gen, I think) for a little over two years, read tons on it, use the wireless delivery for Instapaper and such-like and have never bought an e-book from Amazon. Managing side-loaded content is quite simple with Calibre, but if you don't want to muck around too much with software, you can also just drag and drop books onto the Kindle as a mass storage device (but you would hav…

My usage of kindle is similar to yours.

I just don't like the possibility of being locked out of the own device.

I also like how the publicly developed software improves over time. I haven't seen any improvements for my Kindle (most likely same model as yours, but gsm) from Amazon.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#53
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I treat all E-books purchased with DRM as rentals. When making a decision whether to buy or not, I look at the price and consider whether I'm willing to pay this much to rent the book for an indeterminate amount of time, possibly as little as 3 months. Quite often it turns out that the price is too high. But I never delude myself that I actually "own" any of the DRM-restricted content that I paid for.

> I treat all E-books purchased with DRM as rentals.

I don't buy e-books. It would annoy me to be locked out of e.g. a steam account or a Google Play account or an AppStore account or whatever, but I'd manage. Not having access to my books, that is something which wouldn't fly, books have been close friends for all my life, so I will remain physical-only until and unless DRMs are dropped from ebooks, as I did with music. I just don't see the benefits as worth the risk.

Seeing DRM'd ebooks as short-term rental is an interesting idea though. I would see myself "renting" an ebook for a buck. For the same price as the mass-market paperback it still makes no sense.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#54

I wonder whether this is related to Linn living in Norway, purchasing from Amazon.com and somehow Amazon.co.uk are getting in the middle, perhaps because they run Europe from there. It's the game that many people play - trying to find the best Amazon (or Apple) store when they live and travel between countries. This means a constant struggle to find a combination of credit card, store with enough content (The US is b…

I live in Norway, and I've always ordered books from Amazon.com with my Norwegian address and credit card. I bought my Kindle the same way and have been buying Kindle e-books without any problems. Thus it appears that Amazon.com is fully willing and able to handle Norwegian customers.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#55

an increased number of stories like this will make the book pirating underground a lot more attractive to a wider audience. it exists, it's not quite napster-like yet but it's getting there. no DRM, a potentially wider catalog, etc. this is a risk for publishers and loss-leaders (like amazon) alike.

There's something to what you sad. Isn't it ironic to see a situation that so closely mirrors piracy?

- with DRMed books, Amazon says "yes, you >>havecan take them away from you and you can do nothing about it. You paid [for ebook copies] and are left with nothing

- in piracy, a person who gets pirated copies of a book says "yes, if I want to read your books, dear authors/publishers, I'll pay for them [wink]", but that person can actually get any number of books from you for free. You paid [for publishing/marketing] and are left with nothing

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#56
Tangentially related, I am getting very, very tired of "customer service" departments using phrases like:

"While we are unable to provide detailed information on how we link related accounts, please know that we have reviewed your account on the basis of the information provided and regret to inform you that it will not be reopened."

This happens more frequently: Google says this all the time, based on posts here; Amazon now does the same thing; even apartment rental companies will say "you've been turned down on the basis of this report that we don't know the contents of."

If your company can't reveal specific reasons or steps behind why an action was taken, DON'T TAKE THAT ACTION. Even my credit card issuer will tell me exactly why my card was flagged and they deal with ACTUAL MONEY. All these statements do is infuriate customers, create bad press, and drive away other customers. Scammers will just back up, look at their entire operation, and hammer away again with 300 new accounts so all you've accomplished is pissing off customers who want to do business with you.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#57

I wonder whether this is related to Linn living in Norway, purchasing from Amazon.com and somehow Amazon.co.uk are getting in the middle, perhaps because they run Europe from there. It's the game that many people play - trying to find the best Amazon (or Apple) store when they live and travel between countries. This means a constant struggle to find a combination of credit card, store with enough content (The US is b…

> Please Amazon - please move to one global store where any credit card from any country can purchase any edition of any book.

Not gonna happen without a huge change in international copyright law, probably only possible if the Pirate Party gets constitution-changing majority in all of the key countries at the same time :)

Currently, for the most books there is no such thing as the right to publish a book globally, the existing deals are limited to geographic regions.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#58
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Michael Murphy posted his personal details on the Internet. asgeirn posted links.

Fair point. However, it doesn't bring anything to the discussion, other than giving the temptation to 4chan fans to start a harassment campaign, so what the hell is it doing here?

I think 4chan is perfectly capable of going to Google, typing in "michael murphy linkedin amazon" and harassing the first two results on the page without HN tempting them.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#59
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Pfft only more reason to use "free" websites for ebook downloads such as coinread.com

Its a pity that legalreads doesn't provide a way for me to see what they offer without first giving them access to my google account.

See the search bar at top of page that says "Search Books" thats a sample of the underlying database, you dont need to login to download books from this site, tho loging in gives more choice, use a disposable account anyways not your primary its a good security precaution anyways

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#60
So even if we assume that Amazon was correct and that this account was closed because it was linked to another account that was closed because of 'abuse'.

I don't understand how that would justify or require revoking access to stuff that was already bought/licensed? You could simply deny the offending user access to buying new stuff instead.

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