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Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#51
My biggest issue with this whole thing is: how do you protect yourself from prompt injection?

Anyone installing this on their local machine is a little crazy :). I have it running in Docker on a small VPS, all locked down.

However, it does not address prompt injection.

I can see how tools like Dropbox, restricted GitHub access, etc., could all be used to back up data in case something goes wrong.

It's Gmail and Calendar that get me - the ONLY thing I can think of is creating a second @gmail.com that all your primary email goes to, and then sharing that Gmail with your OpenClaw. If all your email is that account and not your main one, then when it responds, it will come from a random @gmail. It's also a pain to find a way to move ALL old emails over to that Gmail for all the old stuff.

I think we need an OpenClaw security tips-and-tricks site where all this advice is collected in one place to help people protect themselves. Also would be good to get examples of real use cases that people are using it for.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#52

Before using make sure you read this entirely and understand it: https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/security Most important sentence: "Note: sandboxing is opt-in. If sandbox mode is off" Don't do that, turn sandbox on immediately. Otherwise you are just installing an LLM controlled RCE. There are still improvements to be made to the security aspects yet BIG KUDOS for working so hard on it at this stage and documenting…

The sandbox opt-in default is the main gotcha though. Would be better if it defaulted to sandboxed with an explicit --no-sandbox flag for those who understand the risk

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#53

My biggest issue with this whole thing is: how do you protect yourself from prompt injection? Anyone installing this on their local machine is a little crazy :). I have it running in Docker on a small VPS, all locked down. However, it does not address prompt injection. I can see how tools like Dropbox, restricted GitHub access, etc., could all be used to back up data in case something goes wrong. It's Gmail and Calen…

I don't think prompt injection is the only concern, the amount of features released over such a small period probably means there's vulnerabilities everywhere.

Additionally, most of the integrations are under the table. Get an API key? No man, 'npm install react-thing-api', so you have supply chain vulns up the wazoo. Not necessarily from malicious actors, just uhh incompetent actors, or why not vibe coder actors.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#54
post #50
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a vibecoded project that gives an agent full access to your system that will potentially be used by non technically proficient people. What could go wrong?

In which case you only want it running on a non networked system airgapped from everything. Why is this a thing?

I don't disagree but

> that will potentially be used by non technically proficient people

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#55
post #37

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Why? What's wrong with it?

Let's ignore all the potential security issues in the code itself and just think about it conceptually.

By default, this system has full access to your computer. On the project's frontpage, it says, "Read and write files, run shell commands, execute scripts. Full access or sandboxed—your choice." Many people run it without a sandbox because that is the default mode and the primary way it can be useful.

People then use it to do things like read email, e.g., to summarize new email and send them a notification. So they run the email content through an LLM that has full control over their setup.

LLMs don't distinguish between commands and content. This means there is no functional distinction between the user giving the LLM a command, and the LLM reading an email message.

This means that if you use this setup, I can email you and tell the LLM to do anything I want on your system. You've just provided anyone that can email you full remote access to your computer.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#57

and openclaw.com is a law firm.

The page says - Hadir Helal, Partner - Open Chance & Associates Law Firm

This looks to me like:

- the page belongs to the person - not to the firm

- domain should be openCALW and not CLAW

- page could look better

- they also have the domain openchancelaw.com

Maybe Hadir is open to donating the domain or for a exchange of some kind, like an up to date web page or something along these lines.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#58
I’m a big fan of Peter’s projects. I use Vibetunnel everyday to code from my phone (I built a custom frontend suited to my needs). I know I can SSH into my laptop but this is much better because handoff is much cleaner. And it works using Tailscale so it is secure and not exposed to the internet.

His other projects like CodexBar and Oracle are great too. I love diving into his code to learn more about how those are built.

OpenClaw is something I don’t quite understand. I’m not sure what it can do that you can’t do right off the bat with Claude Code and other terminal agents. Long term memory is one, but to me that pollutes the context. Even if an LLM has 200K or 1M context, I always notice degradation after 100K. Putting in a heavy chunk for memory will make the agent worse at simple tasks.

One thing I did learn was that OpenClaw uses Pi under the hood. Pi is yet another terminal agent like ClaudeCode but it seems simple and lightweight. It’s actually the only agent I could get Gemini 3 Flash and Pro to consistently use tools with without going into loops.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#59
post #4

I would have stood my ground on the first name longer. Make these legal teams do some actual work to prove they are serious. Wait until you have no other option. A polite request is just that. You can happily ignore these. The 2nd name change is just inexcusable. It's hard to take a project seriously when a random asshole on Twitter can provoke a name change like this. Leads me to believe that identity is more import…

It wasn't just one random asshole, tons of people were saying that "Moltbot" is a terrible name. (I agree, although I didn't tweet at him about it.) OpenClaw is a million times better.

Just curious, is there something specific about Moltbot that makes it a terrible name? Like any connotations or associations or something? Non-native speaker here, and I don't see anything particularly wrong with it that would warrant the hate it's gotten. (But I agree that OpenClaw _sounds_ better)

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

#60
post #50
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a vibecoded project that gives an agent full access to your system that will potentially be used by non technically proficient people. What could go wrong?

In which case you only want it running on a non networked system airgapped from everything. Why is this a thing?

I actually created a evil super-intelligent AGI back in 1996, but, cognizant of the security risks, I wisely kept it airgapped from all other systems. In the end I unplugged the monitor, keyboard, and mouse from the Compaq Presario in my parents' basement. As far as I know, it's still there, concocting ever-more brilliant schemes for world-domination.
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