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Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

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Re: Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

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For every 1 LLM applicant that this idea would deter, you would also deter 50 humans who simply don't feel like having to send a letter to apply to a job.

At least for me, I'd still rather mail a letter versus input all my personal details and job experience into yet another CRM with a crappy data entry interface.

Oh no, you still have to do that too.

Re: Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

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I'd really like a rejection physical letter back saying thankyou for application but no thanks signed by a human. I put some effort in to applying, they could at least exert some effort coming back, rather than simply ghosting. A reasonable barrier to bots collecting CV's.

Not the same industry but at least one literary agent does this: if you physically print and mail your book proposal, they will respond with a short but polite, physical rejection letter if they reject you.

But I think it's a generational thing. The younger agents I know of just shut down all their submissions when they get overwhelmed, or they start requiring everyone to physically meet them at a conference first.

Re: Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

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After seeing the flood of resumes for application, I do think a small cost to apply wouldn't be a bad thing for either applicants or companies. I also realize that if someone is unemployed, getting them to pay money they don't have to find a new job is counterproductive. However, when we wanted to hire a new Ops person at work, the flood of obviously not qualified at all applicants we got was insane.

> the flood of obviously not qualified at all applicants we got was insane From speaking to folks looking for jobs in tech over the past few years, this is a natural result. 1. Companies write requirements on the job posting that are a little beyond reasonable for the role and salary. 2. Applicants learn over time, and start applying to jobs for which they only meet most of the qualifications. 3. Companies adjust and…

> As evidence that the applicants are, at every stage, correctly reacting to the situation: I have received positive responses (and, later, job offers) by applying to roles for which I am only mostly qualified...

Even fifteen years ago, I was getting advice from grizzled (programming industry) veterans of the form

  If you match even half of what they're asking for, apply. Most of the time, those lists are put together by HR; and even if the list is completely accurate, they're never going to find anyone that meets all those requirements. The ad is asking for the *ideal* candidate. The smart companies know they're going to have to settle for less. Let *them* filter *you* out.
I've interviewed a fair bit, both in and out of Silicon Valley. I've had exactly two interviews where the folks hiring knew exactly what they wanted. All the others were like "Well, we need a programmer to do programmer stuff, IDK.".

Re: Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd gladly pay the 78 cents for a stamp if it meant my application was opened and read by an actual human.

If I were a job applicant, I don't know how much I'd pay for an ironclad guarantee that the human hiring manager for the role would open and read my resume. $100? Multiple hundreds? Sad that things have gotten to this point.

Thats when you work with the a 3P recruiter that has a vested interest in putting you in front of the hiring manager

Re: Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

#56

Instead, the approach that will continue increasing in dominance is hiring referrals and finding jobs through personal networks. In a world that increasingly resembles The Library of Babel, - the main way to know what's true is to tune into news sources you trust (monolithic old school media, or personality driven new-school media, social media, etc.), - the main way to learn what to watch/listen/read is to take reco…

Social affinity and reputation represent winning strategies that have served humans very well since the dawn of time. It shouldn't be surprising that they continue to be extremely effective even (or perhaps especially) in the age of AI.

Re: Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

#58

Introducing JobbyPasta, the service that will hand-complete and mail in job applications for a small fee of $9.99 per application. Add on a transcription of your cover letter for an additional $4.99, or have us generate one (with your approval) and transcribe it for $7.99. Have a lot of applications to send out? Subscribe to us monthly for $34.99/mo (billed annually).

I mean if people had to pay $9.99 per application that would drastically reduce spam applications. So the mail proposal still has a good effect here.

Re: Employers, please use postmarked letters for job applications (2025)

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After seeing the flood of resumes for application, I do think a small cost to apply wouldn't be a bad thing for either applicants or companies. I also realize that if someone is unemployed, getting them to pay money they don't have to find a new job is counterproductive. However, when we wanted to hire a new Ops person at work, the flood of obviously not qualified at all applicants we got was insane.

> the flood of obviously not qualified at all applicants we got was insane From speaking to folks looking for jobs in tech over the past few years, this is a natural result. 1. Companies write requirements on the job posting that are a little beyond reasonable for the role and salary. 2. Applicants learn over time, and start applying to jobs for which they only meet most of the qualifications. 3. Companies adjust and…

I have never met a single recruiter that even understood the job requirements or the nature of the work.

What are we even doing here?

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