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ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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If I'm reading this correctly, they're just straight up violating the law. They're sharing information with ICE under an obligation to share information of aliens, but they're actually sharing everyone's information in an effort to identify aliens. That seems like a pretty slam shut case if there were any mechanism to investigate and prosecute it.

> if there were any mechanism to investigate and prosecute it.

If only there was an independent Judikative or something idk...

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bear in mind that corruption is politically agnostic. If there are no checks and balances, any government can be bought.

Yes but at least in places like Venezuela and Philippines it can be bought cheap enough the common man might be able to access it. It's almost worse in the USA because the corruption is only accessible to those in quasi-oligarchical roles. There's some point at which increased corruption actually becomes more egalitarian (though obviously, not as egalitarian as zero corruption).

I don't know why this is down voted. It's a very valid point.

In countries where the police and government officials can be bought for pocket change by the middle class, the masses have relatively more power vs the elite who control the central government.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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> Illegal immigrants must be deported.

There are literally 20x more illegal immigrants in Texas as compared to Minnesota:

* https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-...

* https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-...

There are 12x more in Florida:

* https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-...

If you want to go fishing, the Mojave Desert is not the place you should be going. If they want to go after illegal immigrants go to where they actually live and work.

* https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-unauthorized-immigra...

(Hint: this is not about illegal immigration.)

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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> Illegal immigrants must be deported. There are literally 20x more illegal immigrants in Texas as compared to Minnesota: * https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-... * https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-... There are 12x more in Florida: * https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-... If you want to go fishing, the Mojave Desert is not the place you sho…

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Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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If I'm reading this correctly, they're just straight up violating the law. They're sharing information with ICE under an obligation to share information of aliens, but they're actually sharing everyone's information in an effort to identify aliens. That seems like a pretty slam shut case if there were any mechanism to investigate and prosecute it.

Yeah, power to execute laws is given to the executive branch. Power of the executive is bestowed upon... one person.

From https://archive.is/E6zXj :

> But, as Chayes studied the graft of the Karzai government, she concluded that it was anything but benign. Many in the political élite were not merely stealing reconstruction money but expropriating farmland from other Afghans. Warlords could hoodwink U.S. special forces into dispatching their adversaries by feeding the Americans intelligence tips about supposed Taliban ties. Many of those who made money from the largesse of the international community enjoyed a sideline in the drug trade. Afghanistan is often described as a “failed state,” but, in light of the outright thievery on display, Chayes began to reassess the problem. This wasn’t a situation in which the Afghan government was earnestly trying, but failing, to serve its people. The government was actually succeeding, albeit at “another objective altogether”—the enrichment of its own members.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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How are Palantir so effective (as this article is alluding)? From a cynical British perspective, when I think of government departments and civil servants. I think inefficiency, data siloing, politics and lack of communication between departments and also internally not communicating between teams. Not withstanding a lack of cooperating and willingness to change. Did Palantir have a political mandate, or can they jus…

From what I've read is that they are not a product company. But they rather have a zoo of solutions. And they are hired by governments desperate to improve their IT, probably after the n-th issue going public. I highly doubt this would be legal in many states but who will (and can) check this anyway? Of course it's tempting to throw everything into one huge database. But Jesus, this is like interns writing the Softwa…

They almost exclusively hire fresh grads who need money more than ethics, and it shows in everything they do.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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> If you can't accept this fact, You have the problem. Maybe learn grammar before giving grand politic lessons.

If that is all you can bring forth, you loose. "I call you stupid if you dont agree with me" is such a cheap shot, doesn't deserve any sympathy.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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What is not clear to me from the article is what data they are getting from CMS. The article references Medicaid data, but everyone that has access to Medicaid is legally present in the country. They have to be to qualify. Some possiblities:

* They are going after people legally here on temporary visas such as SIV that give them access to medicaid

* They are going after people that are not on medicaid and have no insurance but received care (either emergency care or charity care) at a hospital or clinic that takes medicaid (I don’t know if hospitals capture this information for CMS).

* ?

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