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Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Is it going to be the same future as Fuchsia OS? There were some good ideas in that one, but then one day it sort of disappeared. Not that that was surprising - Google is good at that.

It was an experiment to keep bright engineers busy with cool ideas to show off.Even back then they could have known that it is not a viable idea to make a tectonic platform switch with not much business arguments for it.

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Google’s entire business is predicated on collecting as much data on users as possible. This OS will be the worst spyware imaginable.

No, only the 85% or so of it that's accreted since about 2008. Prior to that it actually made money by offering useful search results without infringing on user privacy. That core business model could still work to power a company about 1/8th the size of current Google. Current Google cannot survive on that model. Something went really wrong when it put growthism above all else.

> Something went really wrong

What went wrong was Google (the old 'do no evil' Google) bought the ad network DoubleClick. The acquired DoubleClick side then took over old Google from the inside out such that what we have today is Doubleclick calling itself "google", no more 'do no evil' old Google anywhere, and all the evil that exists on the advertising side infesting everything they do.

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Unless it becomes available for normies to buy laptops with it pre-installed at Saturn, Media Market, FNAC, Cool Blue, and co, it won't matter. They aren't going to buy them from Tuxedo.

"Normies" buy smartphones and maybe a tablet, neither of those has Windows preinstalled either.

Available at Saturn, Media Market, FNAC, Cool Blue show floor.

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Which is exactly my point, keeping game studios on Windows + Visual Studio acomplishes nothing in regards to cut the dependency on Windows gaming.

I wouldn't say that. Software support for Linux is a chicken and egg problem. No software because there's no users because there's no software. Proton helps fix the users part. If a critical mass is accomplished, that can have real long-term impact.

Helps as much as it helped OS/2.

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"Normies" buy smartphones and maybe a tablet, neither of those has Windows preinstalled either.

Available at Saturn, Media Market, FNAC, Cool Blue show floor.

...and a market share of 0.02% ;)

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

(I guess those 'Windows tablets' are running under convertible laptops or something...)

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Available at Saturn, Media Market, FNAC, Cool Blue show floor.

...and a market share of 0.02% ;) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide (I guess those 'Windows tablets' are running under convertible laptops or something...)

Where do you think normies that don't live in cities with Apple stores, or with salaries unable to afford Apple tax, get their smartphones and tablets?

I have made zero mentions of Windows tablets, that market died with Windows 8, replaced by 2-1 laptops.

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Linux seems to be gaining a lot of traction, both with the fall of windows and gaming being more than feasible. It makes sense for the tech savvy option to succeed, now that personal computing is disappearing. Average folks won’t use a windows/macbook, they’ll use phones and tablets. My only concern is ending in a macOS+asahi situation where supporting a single device requires mountains of effort.

The fall of windows and Linux gaining traction. I've seen that written on here, Reddit, /., digg, hell even on usenet back in the day. . . .

Yes, but have you seen you real life non tech friends move to Linux?

I’m seeing it now, and this is new.

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I don't want a "PC future" where you can't just install software without OS vendor blessing.

Same, but my PC runs on Linux so I don't feel threatened. I feel like at some point normies may end up just using iPadOS or Android as a "convergent" device: a tablet/phone that they can plug into a docking station and use as a computer. I am sort of hoping that it will work with something like GrapheneOS, so that I will be able to benefit from it on my phone.

> my PC runs on Linux so I don't feel threatened.

Well, you should feel threatened. Where do you think the push towards TPM and secure boot is heading? Microsoft is insanely envious of how Apple and Google locked down their platforms and have total control over app stores, and that’s what Microsoft wants too. It’s a huge revenue stream they’re leaving on the table. Now that there’s precedent on mobile, they’ll have no problem pushing it through on desktop.

And once all the normies have moved to iPads, there won’t be a big enough market for anyone to manufacture PC hardware for hobbyists anymore.

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> Microsoft becoming Apple (but shittier) At least Microsoft haven't fallen so low as to fail basic design principles like having transparent on top of transparent buttons, having disappearing controls depending on window size (scrollbars), or having corners so rounded that the click to drag mostly being outside the actual window. The Windows 11 UI is annoying, but at least it doesn't look like a kid's toy.

> At least Microsoft haven't fallen so low as to fail basic design principles like having transparent on top of transparent buttons That's just because Microsoft has been there done that already 2 decades ago ;) (IIRC in Windows Vista). Same with the fine-grained in-your-face permission popups. Introduced by Microsoft in Vista, copied by Apple in Mojave ;)

One more reason for Apple to actually have delivered it properly, given that they had Microsoft's failures to learn from.

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The fall of windows and Linux gaining traction. I've seen that written on here, Reddit, /., digg, hell even on usenet back in the day. . . .

Yes, but have you seen you real life non tech friends move to Linux? I’m seeing it now, and this is new.

Yes, and I also have seen they come back to Windows, when they got into issues sharing software or files with friends, or local goverment requirements, and didn't had a relative to do their IT support for free.
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