The framing of the title makes me wonder what we as humans will think of software from this time 100s of years from now. Will the future be a complicated, dense ecosystem of interconnected intelligent systems, putting our current complexity to shame? Or in the future will we look at the current time as the Wild West, the time when software moved more swiftly than the law. Where oil was there for anyone with a big eno…
The age of Pump and Dump software
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fail to see how anyone had fun with cursors Web browser. Gastown is fun in the same way time cube is. If it smells like bullshit and looks like bullshit there's little need to eat it to make sure it tastes like bullshit too.
There's this saying, "you must be great at parties. Not in a dunk style reply. Just more: you fail to see it.
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#53I recently had cursor basically make me a web interface to detect skiers in a live stream at my local mountain. The stream shows skiers coming off the lift with their back towards the camera. I wanted to know the average lap time of skiers to better estimate the lift line wait time since the lift itself has no camera. It did a really good job with some prompting for fixes along the way. Turns out, it's really hard to…
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#54Wonder if we'll get a response from Yegge or clawdbot creator (either here or as a blog post). This is a fairly damning indictment.
Is it? I’ve been experimenting with Gas Town, I’ve learned a lot of new ideas about coding agent orchestration, I haven’t given Steve Yegge a dime or touched any crypto. How am I being scammed? The article just seems like yet another “look at all the hype around AI coding agents! Since we know AI coding doesn’t work, they must be a scam!” but with a garnish of “crypto is involved in some ancillary way! So watch out!”
Re: The age of Pump and Dump software
#55I recently had cursor basically make me a web interface to detect skiers in a live stream at my local mountain. The stream shows skiers coming off the lift with their back towards the camera. I wanted to know the average lap time of skiers to better estimate the lift line wait time since the lift itself has no camera. It did a really good job with some prompting for fixes along the way. Turns out, it's really hard to…
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#56Haven't we learned by now that all crypto coins are pump-and-dump schemes? Unless you're HODLing BTC or whatever... (yes, I'm a huge crypto skeptic)
As for the actual software, why isn't it worth exploring how to better incorporate this current wave of AI into our lives? I've idly wondered what an "AI coding factory" would look like, and Gas Town is an interesting instantiation of the idea. I've also wondered how to best incorporate memory and personal knowledge into an agent that I can self-host. Clawdbot (now Molt?) is an interesting take. People exploring these ideas shouldn't be shot down.
What I fail to understand is why anybody would buy a coin attached to these projects: what are the buyers expecting to happen to the coin? Is this yet another instance of the greater fool theory[1] that we saw with NFTs?
I also fail to understand why the creators are getting involved. I guess the author is trying to answer that question. I'd like to think of a more charitable interpretation than reputation laundering, but I'm not sure what it is... I'm open to suggestions :)
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#58Here's a counterthesis: This is people having fun with a new technology that is far from perfect, is full of unknowns, but is ripe for exploration and discovery. Gas Town itself is a piece of speculative fiction: throwing out a hypothesis as to what might be possible were inference to drastically drop in price. Its supervisor + isolated worker + merge factory approach is an experimental spike into how agentic coding…
I don't understand why people see basic automation of the SDLC and think to themselves "this dude cracked the orchestration code" as if it's something profound.
They're saying "this is a very thoughtful way to approach orchestration for using AI coding agents". This experiment is profound not because it works or because its THE end game, but rather it's a novel approach worth testing...but so is Ralph AI.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The supervisor-worker architecture is standard for distributed systems, but I'm not sure the unit economics make sense yet. Given current latency and inference costs, that specific pattern seems significantly more expensive and slower than a human developer.
> The supervisor-worker architecture is standard for distributed systems, but I'm not sure the unit economics make sense yet. ... [T]hat specific pattern seems significantly more expensive and slower than a human developer. Yeggie very explicitly states that Gas Town is for people who give zero shits about how much money they're forking over to their LLM company. If I remember correctly, he said that he had to get a…
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#60It feels worth separating two things here that have unfortunately become commingled: crypto pump and dumps and AI-enabled spikes. Haven't we learned by now that all crypto coins are pump-and-dump schemes? Unless you're HODLing BTC or whatever... (yes, I'm a huge crypto skeptic) As for the actual software, why isn't it worth exploring how to better incorporate this current wave of AI into our lives? I've idly wondered…
"They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house, I’m not made of stone!"