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Re: Software Pump and Dump

#51

Post by throwaw12 »

I think Pump should happen in any new industry.

Pump == experimentation/innovation, different people look at it differently, so you get variety of interesting ideas.

Dump == natural consequence of over-supply, in this case whatever is not useful, we will drop.

But to invent/discover new things, new paradigms, we need that Pump.

1. Look at age of computers, we had so many different architectures and computer brands with own hardware, now mostly converged to a couple of architectures

2. Operating systems, at some point everyone was writing operating systems, now converged to primarily 3

3. Programming languages, not converged to small number of languages, but there were bunch of languages, same with Databases

4. Frontend frameworks, converged around React & Vue.

5. Search engines

6. Social networks

We need that Pump

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#52

Post by CuriouslyC »

kshri24 wrote: post #22

What worries me even more is tens of thousands (or even magnitudes higher) half-baked, over-hyped, vibe-coded spaghetti "open-source projects" released publicly for clout or to attract investment. It is like all the garbage papers you find in academia that you need to sift through until you find that one good paper. Needle in a haystack. 2026 will be the year of vibe-code driven enshittification. Github will be the c…

I'm gonna blow your mind a bit here, but this isn't just the fault of the people making the software, it's also the fault of the vast majority of the people here and on the internet in general. Quality doesn't get your attention.

The truth is building a project is like a lottery ticket, and there's hard diminishing returns on time invested in quality in terms of payoff. If I told you you could spend 10x more time for a 2x increase in probability of success, if you were trying to make a living from your creativity, you would be stupid to spend the extra time, it's a horrible investment.

The people spamming half baked projects that they quickly abandon if they don't get traction are being rational. People like me that grind on unsexy process bottlenecks and try to keep refining into something really nice are the irrational ones.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#53

Post by kreetx »

spicyusername wrote: post #50

People are still buying shitcoins in 2026!? I'm surprised anyone is still holding Bitcoin at this point... I thought everyone finally got with the program that crypto will never amount to anything...

For the record, Bitcoin had an all-time-high just a few months ago.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#55

Post by afishhh »

Uehreka wrote: post #42
nkrisc wrote: post #7

I really don’t get the strategy here. What do the coins have to do with the project? Why would someone who was “lured” into using the project buy the coins? Why would someone speculating on the coins use the project? What’s the connection? I’m genuinely having a hard time understanding what there even is for someone to “fall for” here. How does any of this trick anyone? I guess I really am just that out of touch with…

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I'm going to fucking crash out if another person says they're making a browser and their inline layout does this shit[1] I swear to god.

I held off on commenting on the last AI browser post because the author said "it's not even good" so they recognized it's trash (it was).

Please educate yourself on how inline layout is supposed to work[2] first. (no, you cannot lay out text span-by-span[3] either...)

[1] https://github.com/chrisuehlinger/viberowser/blob/df6f4a265a...

[2] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-inline-3/

[3] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#boundary-shaping

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#56

Post by theappsecguy »

1dom wrote: post #45
mr-ron wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean besides crypto and ai being big investments, i barely see any parallels. AI you can actually use to build useful things in the world , and tokens are used not as trading , but transactional currency to do that building.

I did a lot of postgraduate research around crypto from 2011 - 2016. There are a lot of parallels, and your message adds to them. "x is different because we can actually do useful stuff with it" is what every x enthusiast deep in an x bubble or pump n dump says about x. When the next big tech bubble comes along in 10 - 15 years, there will be people saying exactly what you just said: "NextBigTech you can actually use…

Exactly this. Before crypto it was Big Data, before that it was Low-code platforms

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#57

Post by unsupp0rted »

1dom wrote: post #45
mr-ron wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean besides crypto and ai being big investments, i barely see any parallels. AI you can actually use to build useful things in the world , and tokens are used not as trading , but transactional currency to do that building.

I did a lot of postgraduate research around crypto from 2011 - 2016. There are a lot of parallels, and your message adds to them. "x is different because we can actually do useful stuff with it" is what every x enthusiast deep in an x bubble or pump n dump says about x. When the next big tech bubble comes along in 10 - 15 years, there will be people saying exactly what you just said: "NextBigTech you can actually use…

No, AI is different because we're actively doing useful stuff with it. It's not "this will replace x soon", it's "I don't x anymore because it would be crazy not to use AI for this, which is what I do on a daily basis already."

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#58

Post by janc_ »

throwaw12 wrote: post #51

I think Pump should happen in any new industry. Pump == experimentation/innovation, different people look at it differently, so you get variety of interesting ideas. Dump == natural consequence of over-supply, in this case whatever is not useful, we will drop. But to invent/discover new things, new paradigms, we need that Pump. 1. Look at age of computers, we had so many different architectures and computer brands wi…

“Pump & Dump” has a very specific meaning here, something that is essentially a scam to cheat people out of their money, and not an actual honest attempt to create something new…

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#59

Post by mr-ron »

theappsecguy wrote: post #56
1dom wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did a lot of postgraduate research around crypto from 2011 - 2016. There are a lot of parallels, and your message adds to them. "x is different because we can actually do useful stuff with it" is what every x enthusiast deep in an x bubble or pump n dump says about x. When the next big tech bubble comes along in 10 - 15 years, there will be people saying exactly what you just said: "NextBigTech you can actually use…

Exactly this. Before crypto it was Big Data, before that it was Low-code platforms

Was low code platforms ever hyped to a tiny fraction of crypto and ai?

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#60

Post by fauigerzigerk »

mlrtime wrote: post #39
kotaKat wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can spin up magic crypto coins backed by other crypto coins at the push of a button. Dirtbag crypto people will spin up a coin in the name of someone's software product, give the project owner a bunch of coin, make them feel special like they're suddenly part of lots of money, and then astroturf and pump the coin as much as they can before setting up for a rugpull by either the project owner trying to cash out…

You didn't answer the question though, you just double downed on crypto=bad. If someone posts a github link of some LLM tool, clawbot or whatever. You are free to run or fork it and then some crypto bro creates a clawbot $coin.. nobody is forcing you to buy the $coin.

Maybe the idea is that associating a coin with something/anything that has momentum will make some people believe that the coin could take off along with the thing.
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