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House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by epiccoleman »

causalscience wrote: post #44
4fterd4rk wrote: post #25

UK nanny state makes it an nonviable place to live. It's pervasive from the moment you step off the plane at Heathrow and see the inane safety stickers covering every surface "WARNING: DOOR" "WARNING: WATER FROM HOT TAP IS HOT" as well as the CCTV cameras.

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> With their "don't put the cat inside the microwave" stickers

not sure what this means, my microwave does not have such a sticker

> "coffee is too hot" lawsuits

I'd encourage you to look into the case you refer to[1] and decide for yourself whether the lawsuit feels frivolous given the facts. My read is that the lawsuit was justified.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau...

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by retired »

dlisboa wrote: post #48
armada651 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.

All of this would easily be solved by just banning social media. Nothing will convince me they are a net-positive to society.

At the risk of doing a "you participate in society", would that include HN?

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by wasmainiac »

causalscience wrote: post #42

I'm in the UK and I've been involved in advocating for this. I find it utterly frustrating to read the "think of the children" mockery here on HN. I argue that this is good. There's many reasons why children having unfettered access to the internet and different campaigners care about different aspects, so I'm going to talk about the one I care about: addiction, destroyed ability to focus, and dopamine desensitizatio…

I don’t think people mocking the reasoning behind the law, just its implementation. I’m all for kicking kids off the internet and phones. I’m not British… fyi, but as kids we were not allowed to drink but we still found ways to get beer or whatever else because the regulations were not effective.

It’s better to be more to the point and straight up identity social media platforms as addictive or otherwise harmful and block them altogether or at least kill the algorithm and endless scroll.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by boznz »

causalscience wrote: post #42

I'm in the UK and I've been involved in advocating for this. I find it utterly frustrating to read the "think of the children" mockery here on HN. I argue that this is good. There's many reasons why children having unfettered access to the internet and different campaigners care about different aspects, so I'm going to talk about the one I care about: addiction, destroyed ability to focus, and dopamine desensitizatio…

The title of the site "Hacker News" should be a dead giveaway why this law is mocked here

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by eikenberry »

dlisboa wrote: post #48
armada651 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.

All of this would easily be solved by just banning social media. Nothing will convince me they are a net-positive to society.

I don't think social media needs to be banned, but maybe using complex algorithms to drive attention should be. Even Facebook was pretty good back when its feed was a simple, chronological display of all your friends posts and nothing else. It went down the tubes as they moved away from that.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by sublinear »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #35
whatshisface wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can check for credit cards without requiring any payment. Are you sure that's sufficient given these vaguely worded laws? If so many HN readers could solve the whole problem by making websites which issued digital signatures of random numbers to anyone who can support a £0.01 debit which is then immediately reversed.

The problem is porn companies know full well nobody, nobody, wants that on their credit card statement. Kinda weird that something supposedly as natural as rain needs such levels of privacy; the hypocrisy is notable (if it's so natural and so many people do it, own it).

Single people don't care, and they are becoming the majority of adults and probably more likely consume porn too.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by brightball »

armada651 wrote: post #19
retired wrote: post #4

Does that mean that VPN providers now need identification before you can open an account?

If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.

Watching laws like this play out in real time adds some color to the other discussion about software in Europe right now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46767668#46769847

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by chrisjj »

lacoolj wrote: post #5

Very shallow, naive approach to child safety. This is like banning children from riding scooters on a highway. They're just going to use a bike instead. Danger still exists. VPNs are not the only way around this, so if you want to ban the "method of access" you need to be much more broad, and get the parents involved.

If parent could be sufficiently involved, there'd be no need for any ban.
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