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Social networks can fork while still being interoperable. That's what the whole federation thing is all about.
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FOSS "just fork it" delusion
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#52I think the wisdom of "just fork it" is that in a project the power lies with the people who do the work (yes, that power is often rented out in exchange for a pay cheque), and in an open source project you have the right to do that work without kowtowing to the authority of other people who did the work before you ("just fork it"). The important point lost in many of these anti-fork posts is that forks usually aren'…
A fork doesn't require a schism, but a schism does seem to require a fork.
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#53I mean, we can engage with the ideas, there was intentionality in prompting the AI for this output, after all.
But it is interesting how after you see a bit of AI written text, it becomes super recognizable as afterwards.
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#54"start treating it as what it often is: a refusal to do the harder social work in #FOSS"
Your ending is missing something... "a refusal to do the harder social work that I want you to do in #FOSS".
But I didn't promise that. Nobody promised that. FOSS is an unparalleled gift of free work and not a single line of it has formed an obligation on my part to help anyone who wants to come along and make it do something different. You are welcome to do that, but I have no obligation on any level to come along and help you "sustain" your own work. No legal obligation, no moral obligation, no community obligation no reciprocal obligation, no Kantian imperative obligation, no obligation whatsoever. If anything, you owe them, not the other way around; any other read of the ethical situation is utterly absurd.
You want "more social work" done, you feel free to do it. Don't be shocked when I'm not interested in helping.
This is just a demand for more free work from people who have already handed you the result of more free work than any other collection of work in human history. It is deeply ungrateful to demand yet more.
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#55You can fork something just for a fun or experimentation. You could have a use case that the project doesn't handle and you aren't ready or interested in contributing that solution (especially if you only need this for a one-off scenario or a short-lived project).
This could also apply to needs that your client or company has, but it's out of scope for the original project, so you make a private fork that you and your team maintain internally. It could be that you DO actually make this public (either initially or eventually) so other people who have the same need can benefit and possibly contribute.
It could even be that, over time, the amount of users of your fork convince the upstream project that there is a need for this use case. Maybe they decide to handle it themselves or maybe your fork merges back in with the upstream. Sometimes projects just can't say yes to certain things because they wouldn't want to/be able to implement, maintain and support it. Seeing that you and others maintain a fork for a non-trivial amount of time can establish the credibility that there is indeed someone who will maintain this.
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#56an inventor has no obligation to fulfill all the side quests observers imagine, that’s why they tell you to fork it
angst over this seems misguided
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Social networks can fork while still being interoperable. That's what the whole federation thing is all about.
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This has been a function of societies for as long as societies have existed, and addressing it requires honest reflection. In this case: "why is there such a huge overlap between people competent and willing to host federated social media servers, and people who don't want to be around me?"
Unfortunately there is a pervasive attitude amongst a certain personality type, that if someone criticizes them, then that someone must be wrong, and must be fought, no matter what. It's common enough to have ICD-10 diagnosis codes for it: Narcissistic Personality Disorder and/or Oppositional Defiant Disorder.
This is why I rarely try to change people's minds anymore unless they appear receptive to it: there's a good chance an overactive amygdala will see it as an attack and just make more work for me, wasting my time. It's easier to just talk to them about something else, or if they're being unnecessarily rude to people: not talk to them.
You might reflect upon your own short comment history (or your username) and judge for yourself what proportion is polite & respectful vs. rude & belligerent, and consequently whether the average person would want to try having a nice conversation with you.
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It is not click-bait. The article does not describe the situations like opentofu or mysql.
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#59Bottom line: Open Source is a *community* system built around a few flawed assumptions. These inherent problems are not new or unique or unexpected --- they have all been faced by similar *community* constructs in the past. The biggest impediments to success are some of the most fundamental, unavoidable characteristics of human nature. And the last ditch effort at maintaining similar systems has often involved forced…
And what OP is proposing is actually forced labour. Instead of people being free to work (and fork) to their heart contents, the implication exists that they're losing their time, and instead, should focus on "collaborating" with the existing community. Which frankly nobody in the history of open-source ever denied. Forks are last instance measures, where the steering of a project gets off the rails to a high enough degree to justify such a drastic measure.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Social networks can fork while still being interoperable. That's what the whole federation thing is all about.
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Not sure why this split would be a problem? It's a very Big Social Media idea that everyone should use the same thing and expose themselves / be exposed to everything.