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TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by banku_brougham »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #14
kakflelajf74 wrote: post #7

Tiktok became a bigger national security risk after being sold than it was before.

All Americans are probably better off using Chinese apps that the Chinese government uses to snoop on them and Chinese are better off using American apps that the American govt uses to snoop on them than the opposite. The impact the Chinese government can have on an individual American is minor compared to the US govt and the same goes for the American and Chinese govts on the average Chinese person.

i been saying this

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by jasonlotito »

wileydragonfly wrote: post #29

I played with TikTok for a week or so. Every time I opened it, it was suggesting feeds featuring clearly mentally impaired people with large audiences throwing money at them for saying their name. It felt like a very concerted effort to dumb down the American population. You wouldn’t listen to these people for 10 seconds out in public. The fetal alcohol syndrome phenotype was widespread. The entire experience was dis…

The fairly accurate joke is that the algorithm is really just telling on yourself.

> it was suggesting feeds featuring clearly mentally impaired people with large audiences throwing money at them for saying their name

I've never seen that. I saw D&D content and discussions about gamedev. The feed is what you make of it, and TikTok's very famous algorithm shows you what you signal you will watch.

Feel free to disagree, and maybe you are the very rare exception, but you watched that stuff for a week or so, and I have no idea what you are referring to.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by krapp »

ulbu wrote: post #49
krapp wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People use social media to consume news and entertainment and to curate and communicate with people and accounts using an interface that allows them to read and share multiple media types. My mother used it to communicate with her COPD support group and chat with in-laws in Australia. I use it to follow up on work groups and authors and developers I'm interested in. Most people's usage of social media is banal and mu…

i think you have a very idealised view of social media. have you been to a classroom recently? it’s also meaningfully different in structure from tv. tv was 7-10 min of content and a couple of ads in between. and you grew annoyed by the ads. only toddlers were captivated. now most content is designed like ads were. and now they grow annoyed when outside it. and toddlers and older people are captivated.

No, but most people who use social media aren't schoolchildren. I have a niece and nephew who are school age and they seem to be doing fine. Certainly better than people here insist they must.

And I don't think believing social media provides some practical value for people beyond addiction is "very idealized."

edit: I remember a very different past than you do. People of all ages watched tv for hours at a time, everyone was captivated. Saturday morning cartoons (all of which were toy commercials) were a mandatory childhood ritual. And the ads when popular were often the memes of their time. Different in structure but not much different in influence.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by guelo »

blell wrote: post #20
kakflelajf74 wrote: post #7

Tiktok became a bigger national security risk after being sold than it was before.

Depends if you see more of a threat coming from China or Israel.

100% Israel. China couldn't save tiktok but when tiktokers started criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza Israel got tiktok transferred to a zionist lighting quick with support from both American political parties and no 1st amendment concerns.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by dlivingston »

GlumWoodpecker wrote: post #41
direwolf20 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News is Social Media

HN (and Reddit) are not social media, they are forums. Social media are platforms where the main purpose is to socialise. Forums are platforms where the main purpose is to discuss the topic of any given thread. Just because you can talk to someone, doesn't make it social media. I will die on this hill.

Fully agree. And more than that, I think you're objectively correct.

Think about the evolution of the term "social media". It evolved from social networks, which themselves evolved from forums.

The "media" in "social media" refers to third-party content that is algorithmically boosted through social signals, with signals from your own network weighting higher, and in the end creating a personalized algorithm of media content.

There is no personalized media on HN. It's the same feed for everyone. There is no network on HN. No friends, follows, private messages.

So there's no social to HN, and no (personalized) media, and no network.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by fuzzer371 »

idle_zealot wrote: post #45
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #23

the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product. It's sort've cliche at this point but we got the worst of both Orwell and Huxley in that our super-invasive surveillance apparatus is also a super-addictive apparatus designed to hit all our evolutionary buttons like a slot machine.

> the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product "Everyone should simultaneously quit doing the harmful thing" is a "solution" to our present surveillance advertising problem in the way that advice to save money is a solution to poverty or "have you tried farming?" is a solution to world hunger. I.e. not a solution for humans, but a description of a beeline to the desired st…

Really? Telling people to quit using a stupid app isn't "A solution for humans"? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by Forgeties79 »

fuzzer371 wrote: post #56
idle_zealot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product "Everyone should simultaneously quit doing the harmful thing" is a "solution" to our present surveillance advertising problem in the way that advice to save money is a solution to poverty or "have you tried farming?" is a solution to world hunger. I.e. not a solution for humans, but a description of a beeline to the desired st…

Really? Telling people to quit using a stupid app isn't "A solution for humans"? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

We can’t say these apps are addicting/weaponized against us and also say “just stop using it” like it’s some easy choice one simply has to make.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by dangus »

GlumWoodpecker wrote: post #41
direwolf20 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News is Social Media

HN (and Reddit) are not social media, they are forums. Social media are platforms where the main purpose is to socialise. Forums are platforms where the main purpose is to discuss the topic of any given thread. Just because you can talk to someone, doesn't make it social media. I will die on this hill.

HN and Reddit aren’t traditional forums because of the way downvotes and upvotes work. I would consider a forum to be defined by the most recent activity bringing the thread to the top of the list, not a popularity contest via upvote and downvote.

I also think HN has become too general purpose to be similar in spirit to most forums. Being seen on HN has major dollar value just like trending on Reddit does.

Also, have you used Reddit recently?

Open up Reddit on the app. No using old.reddit.com, doesn’t count. That’s not the experience most users are using.

Go to the watch section. I think you swipe left or right or something? I forget, I deleted the app.

Bam, it’s TikTok.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

pluralmonad wrote: post #50
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #23

the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product. It's sort've cliche at this point but we got the worst of both Orwell and Huxley in that our super-invasive surveillance apparatus is also a super-addictive apparatus designed to hit all our evolutionary buttons like a slot machine.

It is deeply sad to me that "stop doing the thing that's hurting you" is met with such animosity. It's like heroin addicts telling us with a straight face that they refuse to stop.

I can quit whenever I want.
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