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Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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Not because of a sudden outbreak of sanity, but because they have CT scanners now.

3-1-1 is rarely enforced. I always got confused why the 100ml limit existed, since I could just take multiple bottles of 100ml of whatever I wanted and it was okay. Then I realized that technically I only could take 3 bottles but I’ve been getting away with more for decades.

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Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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> TSA needs consistency in alarm resolution, secondary screening rates, and officer workflows—otherwise “keep liquids packed” becomes a promise that varies by airport, terminal, and even time of day. ...what? These already vary in the same airport literally by adjacent lanes...

I don't even know what I need to show at at the start of the line. My ID? My boarding pass? Both?

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

#53

Famously Steve Jobs had a story about shaving time off of boot-up and equating it to saving lives on the concept of people sitting their waiting for the computer to boot up just lost that much of their lives. [1] I actually do believe there is value in thinking this way and it is one of my biggest arguments against TSA. Everything has a cost, including 'security' and 'safety'. If you look at the very real human toll,…

> a few pennies (sorry, those don't exist now, how about for a few nickles?)

Wait what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_(United_States_coin)

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

#54

How many man hours and how much money have we wasted over security theater at airports? Has it been a worthwhile trade off?

No successful terrorist attacks on planes going to/from western countries after 9/11/2001, that's a pretty good record. Maybe we can't prove that the security theater was responsible for that, but still, the only planes that were bombed after 9/11/2001 were inside Russia or going from Egypt to Russia.

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My real anger is that we have found it possible to fund and implement this level of screening, at massive monetary, human and privacy cost, but I can't go to my doctor and ... get a body scan that does all the 3d segmentation, recognition, etc Airport screening of people doesn't yield those results. It's able to notice a big inorganic mass, or a chunk of metal, but it wouldn't spot a tumour, it gives nowhere near t…

I think the point is we can afford massive machines for the TSA that are essentially paid for by the Federal Budget, and used by millions each day for free, but we can't do the same for MRI machines.

Not free. If you look at an itemized statement for air travel you’ll see that you’re paying the TSA for this treatment directly.

Not really relevant, just makes the whole thing worse imho. There are new carryon bag scanners which are basically CT scans I think. Again not really relevant just makes it all worse. We could afford better medical care but we spending it on security theater and power tripping.

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

#56

This rule wasn't enforced anyway... I travel a lot - and never take out any liquids. Have nail clippers and scissors in my carry-on. Once I even had an opinel pocket knife in my laptop bag for a couple of months. Travelled through Tokyo, Taipei, SFO, DEN, PHX, LAX, BOS, JFK, FRA, AMS, MUC, LHR - nobody noticed. I seriously had forgotten it was there, so I don't do that now, but still... Also, no large water bottles o…

Enforcement is very inconsistent that’s for sure. The system is as secure as the least secure airport.

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of stuff is funded by the US federal budget instead of MRI machines. My point is that there's not actually any useful connection between the TSA scanners and medical scanners, it's comparing apples to oranges. By all means be angry about the lack of healthcare in the US, by all means blame other spending, but singling out the TSA is arbitrary.

Most of the other spending serves a useful purpose. TSA doesn't. Though they seem relatively benign next to the Gesta..I mean ICE

As I said, it's fine if you want a political opinion on government spending priorities, but that's not what jmward01 appeared to be suggesting.

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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This rule wasn't enforced anyway... I travel a lot - and never take out any liquids. Have nail clippers and scissors in my carry-on. Once I even had an opinel pocket knife in my laptop bag for a couple of months. Travelled through Tokyo, Taipei, SFO, DEN, PHX, LAX, BOS, JFK, FRA, AMS, MUC, LHR - nobody noticed. I seriously had forgotten it was there, so I don't do that now, but still... Also, no large water bottles o…

I lost a nice swiss army knife in Singapore because I was carry-on only and forgot I keep one in my toiletries bag. Was really upset because it was a Christmas gift from my parents. Annoying they don't let you collect it on the way back, I totally get it but would have paid a fine to get it back

They detected one of the very small Victorinox pocket knifes in my hand luggage at HKG airport and kept it; but I was given the option of picking it up at the carrier's airport office upon return.

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is we can afford massive machines for the TSA that are essentially paid for by the Federal Budget, and used by millions each day for free, but we can't do the same for MRI machines.

I think an MRI probably takes longer than the TSA scan so walk-through MRIs wouldn’t be practical.

There are an order of magnitude less MRI scans daily than US flight passengers, however, at 1/30th the frequency.

Granted, I imagine an MRI scan still takes longer than 30 airport scans.

Interestingly the price of the body scanners and a typical MRI are in the same ballpark, from my experience and what I could glean online.

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