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Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

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Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

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This article matches my experience as well. Chatting with LLM has helped me to crystalize ideas I had before and explore relevant topics to widen the understanding. Previously, I wouldn't even know where to begin with when getting curious about something, but ChatGPT can tell you if your ideas have names, if they were explored previously, what primary sources there are. It's like a rabbit hole of exploring the world,…

I think the best existing "product" analogy for LLM's is coffee. Coffee is a universally available, productivity enhancing commodity. There are some varieties certainly, but at the end of the day, a bean is a bean. It will get the job done. Many love it, many need it, but it doesn't really cost all that much. Where people get fancy is in all the fancy but unnecessary accoutrements for the brewing of coffee. Some choo…

> Coffee is a universally available, productivity enhancing commodity

The analogy carries further than you intended. If you have never reached addiction stage, then there is no factual productivity enhancement. "But I'm so much less productive if I haven't had my morning coffee" Yeah, because you have an addiction. It sounds worse than it is, if you just don't drink coffee for a few days the headaches will subside. But it doesn't actually enhance productivity beyond placebo.

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

#53

Not to dismiss other people's experience, but thinking improves thinking. People tend to forget that you can ask yourself questions and try to answer them. There is such thing as recursive thinking where you end up with a new thought you didn't have before you started. Don't dismiss this superpower you have in your own head.

See also rubberducking [1]

I've seen people solve their own issues by asking me / telling me about something and finding the solution without me having the time to reply numerous times.

Just articulating your thoughts (and using more of your brain on them by voicing them) helps a lot.

Some talk to themselves out loud and we are starting to realize it actually helps.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

#54

Not to dismiss other people's experience, but thinking improves thinking. People tend to forget that you can ask yourself questions and try to answer them. There is such thing as recursive thinking where you end up with a new thought you didn't have before you started. Don't dismiss this superpower you have in your own head.

I'm mystified by this comment. Do people really forget that they can think in their own mind?

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

#55

This article matches my experience as well. Chatting with LLM has helped me to crystalize ideas I had before and explore relevant topics to widen the understanding. Previously, I wouldn't even know where to begin with when getting curious about something, but ChatGPT can tell you if your ideas have names, if they were explored previously, what primary sources there are. It's like a rabbit hole of exploring the world,…

I think the best existing "product" analogy for LLM's is coffee. Coffee is a universally available, productivity enhancing commodity. There are some varieties certainly, but at the end of the day, a bean is a bean. It will get the job done. Many love it, many need it, but it doesn't really cost all that much. Where people get fancy is in all the fancy but unnecessary accoutrements for the brewing of coffee. Some choo…

> But the quality is really no different.

Hard disagree. As someone who is somewhat into the home brewing rabbit hole, I can tell you that the gulf between what I can make at home and what you get in Starbucks is enormous. And I'm no expert in the field by any means.

The rest of your analogy holds up, but not that sentence.

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

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post #49

Not to dismiss other people's experience, but thinking improves thinking. People tend to forget that you can ask yourself questions and try to answer them. There is such thing as recursive thinking where you end up with a new thought you didn't have before you started. Don't dismiss this superpower you have in your own head.

Agreed; also a kind of recursive placebo tends to happen in my experience: 10 You recognise your thinking (or some other desirable activity) has improved 20 You're excited about it 30 You engage more with the thinking (or other activity) 40 You get even better results 50 Even more excitement 60 GOTO 30 You definitely don't need LLMs for this.

But you also do not need paper to think, but surely much of modern physics would not have happened without paper or blackboards…

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

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post #49

Not to dismiss other people's experience, but thinking improves thinking. People tend to forget that you can ask yourself questions and try to answer them. There is such thing as recursive thinking where you end up with a new thought you didn't have before you started. Don't dismiss this superpower you have in your own head.

Agreed; also a kind of recursive placebo tends to happen in my experience: 10 You recognise your thinking (or some other desirable activity) has improved 20 You're excited about it 30 You engage more with the thinking (or other activity) 40 You get even better results 50 Even more excitement 60 GOTO 30 You definitely don't need LLMs for this.

Kranner: GOTO as used in Thinking considered Beneficial.

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

#58

Not to dismiss other people's experience, but thinking improves thinking. People tend to forget that you can ask yourself questions and try to answer them. There is such thing as recursive thinking where you end up with a new thought you didn't have before you started. Don't dismiss this superpower you have in your own head.

In my experience LLMs offer two advantages over private thinking:

1) They have access to a vast array of extremely well indexed knowledge and can tell me about things that I'd never have found before.

2) They are able to respond instantly and engagingly, while working on any topic, which helps fight fatigue, at least for me. I do not know how universal this effect is, but using them often means that I can focus for longer. I can also make them do drudgery, like refactoring 500 functions in mostly the same way that is just a little bit too complicated for deterministic tools to do, which also helps with fatigue.

Ideally, they'd also give you a more unique perspective or push-back when appropriate, but they are yes-men too much right now for that to be the case.

Lastly, I am not arguing to not do private thinking too. My argument is that LLM-involved thinking is useful as its own thing.

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

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post #34

This article matches my experience as well. Chatting with LLM has helped me to crystalize ideas I had before and explore relevant topics to widen the understanding. Previously, I wouldn't even know where to begin with when getting curious about something, but ChatGPT can tell you if your ideas have names, if they were explored previously, what primary sources there are. It's like a rabbit hole of exploring the world,…

Wasn’t it George Orwell who said “writing is thinking”?

That sounds true when you have already internalized the idea. But my environment never even suggested in can be approached this way. My school didn't teach me how to write, we just had to. Uni didn't explain this either and that was part of the reason why I dropped out. You can't make progress when you don't know what questions to ask and nobody sees your struggles and provides guidance.

Re: Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

#60

Your writing disagree - "This is not . This is how ." "When or , is not . It is ." "That alignment is what produces the sense of recognition. I already had the shape of the idea. The model supplied a clean verbal form." It's all LLM's. Nobody writes like this.

https://www.pangram.com/history/89da46c7-113e-4a27-8f3f-dbc8...
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